I think we should refrain from the religious arguments on the list. 
Sure, the bombing topic is way off-topic but I don't feel it's at all
inappropriate to be discussing it here.  Religion, on the other hand, is
*really* off-topic and I have a feeling that most of us would agree
about that.  I won't presume to speak for everyone, though.  We all have
differing opinions about such things and it's not going to help the
issues at hand if we turn this into a "My God is bigger than your God"
flame war.

Whether you worship God, Allah, No One, or (my personal favorite) Wonko
the Magic Elf is just not appropriate discussion given the nature of the
list. 

Okay, I'm going back to reading news reports and blindly staring in
unbelief and shock.

John

>>> "Puckett, Larry (TIFPC)"  9/11/01 4:27:04
PM >>>
Funny how it's always "Pushing religion is unacceptable" but never '
Pushing
atheism is unacceptable' .....
 -----Original Message-----
From:   Symon Thurlow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:15 PM
To:     [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject:        RE: US Stock [7:19433]

pushing religion is pushing the limits of acceptable OT converstaion
IMHO

My deepest sympathy to those affected by this series of atrocities. A
few
weeks ago, a car bomb went off just up the road from my place (West
London),
and I thought that was a wake up call.... the scale of this disaster is
just
incomprehensible.

Symon

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Craig Richardson
Sent: 11 September 2001 21:08
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: US Stock [7:19433]


I know this is off-topic and long, but I'll give it a shot anyway...

Hello all, and much respect to everyone on this list.
This is my first time writing to this list (as far as I can remember),
although
I have observed it for awhile.  Most topics seem to be out of my Cisco
range,
but I do enjoy the information that crosses the list and I do respect
everyone's
opinion as their own.  Terrible tragedies have been suffered today, and
many
lives are now changed forever.  As Priscilla mentioned, the damage to
families
is irreparable.  However, to think that "if God existed, this
incredible
loss of life
wouldn't have occurred in the first place", is to say that that the
devil
does not
exist.  God is very real and He does exist.  Unfortunately, the devil
is
very real also,
and he does exist.  Many people think that the devil is a mythical
figure
that has
nothing to do with current events, so they equate God with all of the
good
and the bad
things.  The fact is, that God does love us all, and it is not his
desire
that anyone of us
should perish, but we all have an enemy, and that is the devil.  Every
opportunity he gets,
he seeks to devour.  God works through his people and He is patient.
Tragedies do
occur, but the blame should go to the devil, not God.  When we pray,
our
prayers do make
a difference as God hears our prayers.  The "we" that I'm talking about
is
those that believe
on His son, Jesus Christ.  There is a spiritual war going on that must
not
be overlooked.
Todays events are part of this war.  The bible says it all.  These are
the
"end times" that we
are in.  It is my hope that these tragedies will lead the rest of us
to
realize that we do need a
saviour, and He is Jesus Christ.  Please check Romans 14:10,
12/Ephesians
2:8,9/
Romans 3:23/Romans 6:23/ and Romans 10:9,10.  Also, the book of
Revelations
tells much
about the end times (which we've been in for quite some time). 
Prayer,
along with using all
available opportunities to help (like donating blood), goes a long
way.
Thank you.

Craig.

----- Original Message -----
From: B.J. Wilson
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: US Stock [7:19433]


> Well, since we're off-topic anyway...maybe if God existed, this
incredible
> loss of life wouldn't have occurred in the first place.  Part of
rebuilding
> our society involves rebuilding our economy, so it's worth
discussing.  As
> far as life is concerned, I'm donating blood later today, and I've
made
sure
> my two friends who live in NYC are okay.  What are you doing besides
> praying?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Juan Blanco"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:05 PM
> Subject: RE: US Stock [7:19433]
>
>
> > Thanks Priscilla, you are %100 correct, these people here are
thinking
> > about the economic...when they shoulb be thinking about rebuilding
> > families.....they should be thinking about a prayer to God in order
to
> save
> > as many peoples as posible....
> >
> > My prayer to those that did not make it in the terror atack....
> >
> > God bless america..........
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: 9/11/2001 12:45 PM
> > Subject: RE: US Stock [7:19433]
> >
> > We're talking about rebuilding the economy? How about rebuilding
> > families
> > (if that can even be done??)
> >
> > Priscilla
> >
> > At 01:25 PM 9/11/01, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> > >since you asked - this is real bad news for the economy. there are
a
> > number
> > >of major financial firms located in the twin towers, all of whom
have
> > >probably lost key people. These are firms that drive the economy
in
> > terms of
> > >investment and investment capital. how long will it take to get
things
> > >straight? you will see spillovers into the stock market, into
planning,
> > into
> > >corporate spending. that translates into jobs.
> > >
> > >yes there will be rebuilding that must take place, and this will
> > eventually
> > >mean an economic boost. but maybe not for New York City. If I were
a
> > >survivor of one of these firms, and had the chance to build from
> > scratch, I
> > >would seriously consider relocating to Kansas. And I do not say
that
> > >sarcastically.
> > >
> > >this tragedy spills way beyond what one might think. In an economy
as
> > weak
> > >as ours is now, this is real bad news indeed.
> > >
> > >hoping any number of friends and personal acquaintances who work
in
> > that
> > >area are ok.
> > >
> > >Chuck
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of
> > >sparkest pig
> > >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:56 AM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > >Subject: US Stock [7:19433]
> > >
> > >
> > >Would the technology or other industry go down and the Department
of
> > >Defense funding go up?  would this be good to us, the Cisco
geeks?
> > >
> >
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> > >
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> >
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> > http://www.priscilla.com




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