Quick analysis: Do a search on Monster (as broad as possible) with CCIE as the keyword. How many hits? 96 as of 10/27/01 9:51EST. Now lets do a search on Monster (as broad as possible) for JNCIE (or JNCIS) as the keyword. How many hits? ZERO! ZILCH! NADA!
Okay, now lets do a search with Juniper as the keyword. How many hits? 59 Hits using Cisco as the keyword, more than 1000! (it wouldnt give me the total amount, just said more than 1000). Now, onto dice.com. Search on CCIE, 74 hits. Search with JNCIE (or JNCIS) ZERO. Search on Cisco, 857 hits. Search on Juniper, 24 hits. Moral of the story for people reading this thread: DONT LET A FEW BAD APPLES SCARE YOU OFF. The CCIE is still MUCH MORE valuable than the Juniper certification in today's economy. Could this change in the next few years? Yes. Will it change? Who knows. But for the time being (as far as getting a job is concerned), I'd recommend getting a CCIE over a Juniper cert every day of the week and twice on Sunday! Network Learning deals with employers and CCIE candidates on a daily basis. Currently, from our conversations with these people, corporate America is not distinguishing between the different CCIE tracks; ie, if someone is looking for a CCIE, at least 19 times out of 20, they dont care if it's an R&S CCIE vs. a Security CCIE, etc. The R&S and Security tracks are still too closely related to where it would really make a big difference. It looks like the Security lab is just an R&S lab with a PIX thrown into the mix (I havent taken the security lab yet, so I can't be a 100% certain, but nor can I be breaking the NDA). Until that changes, I dont think there is a huge advantage of getting the Security CCIE vs. the R&S CCIE as relates to corporate America. However, I feel that this is one of the things that COULD possibly change within the next 1-2 years (assuming there becomes more distingushing factors between the two different tracks and corporate America sees value in that). Dont have second thoughts about going after your CCIE. Put your whole heart into and go "BALLS OUT!" It is a great stepping stone and accomplishment for anyone in the networking industry. Don't let the misconceptions of a few people discourage you. Good luck. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Here's my thoughts > > * Yes, I know several CCIE's who are having trouble finding work. And yes, > I know one guy who has 2 CCIE's (R/S and ISPDial) who is having trouble > finding work. For those of you who think it might be due to lack of > experience, the guys I am talking about have at least 5 years of experience, > and the dual-guy has more than 10, including more than 5 at Cisco as an SE. > > * My understanding is that the one-day lab is significantly harder than the > older 2-day lab. But of course, this might be compensated for by the fact > that the wait list will be shorter (eventually). > > * I don't know that Cisco has too many CCIE tracks. Right now there are 3 > active tracks. This is like the old days of the program, when they also > used to have 3 (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN) [Note, Ok, in the really old days, I > know there used to be only the R/S]. But I remember at one point last year > or so, there were actually 5 active tracks (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN, Design, > SNA/IP). Now that really was too many tracks. > > * You're right, why bother (esp. with the R/S)? Sorry guys, I know this > sounds harsh, and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but if I had > to do it all over again, I don't know that I would try to get the R/S. > > Now by that, let me be clear. There is nothing wrong with learning the R/S > material. That is always good. Everybody should learn the material that > the R/S guy knows. But as far as doing actual test prep - getting my > typing and configuration speed up so that I can set up BGP and OSPF in 10 > minutes, actually paying for the test and travelling to the test site, I > don't know that I would put myself through that again unless it was worth > it. Let's face it. This isn't 1998-1999 anymore. Who knows when, or even > if, things will get better? Particularly when there is probably a much > more valuable cert program out there. Which is why I am moving on to ... > > * Juniper. I don't think the same market forces hold for Juniper, at least > not to the same degree. The Juniper market is much less saturated than the > Cisco market. Consider this - there are about 6650 CCIE's out there, of > which probably about 6400 are R/S'ers. Right now there are 20 JNCIE's. So > despite the fact that the demand for Juniper skills is smaller, I have a > very difficult time believing it is 320 times smaller. You can check out > my old post (7:3485, posted 10/1/01, on Re:Is the CCIE really worth it), > where I discuss this subject at length. > > > ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, this > is > > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't worry - > > skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a lot of > > structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills up. Keep a > good > > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > > > > some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in networking > > even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? > > the 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and > > cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or com > > when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe > > same thing for juniper i guess > > 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but now i'm having second > > though . > > just my 2 cent Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24336&t=24336 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
