Oh one more thing - without violating NDA, let me just say that the Security lab is far more than just the R/S with a Pix thrown in there.
""Brad Ellis"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Quick analysis: > > Do a search on Monster (as broad as possible) with CCIE as the keyword. How > many hits? 96 as of 10/27/01 9:51EST. > Now lets do a search on Monster (as broad as possible) for JNCIE (or JNCIS) > as the keyword. How many hits? ZERO! ZILCH! NADA! > > Okay, now lets do a search with Juniper as the keyword. How many hits? 59 > Hits using Cisco as the keyword, more than 1000! (it wouldnt give me the > total amount, just said more than 1000). > > Now, onto dice.com. Search on CCIE, 74 hits. Search with JNCIE (or JNCIS) > ZERO. Search on Cisco, 857 hits. Search on Juniper, 24 hits. > > Moral of the story for people reading this thread: DONT LET A FEW BAD > APPLES SCARE YOU OFF. The CCIE is still MUCH MORE valuable than the Juniper > certification in today's economy. Could this change in the next few years? > Yes. Will it change? Who knows. But for the time being (as far as getting > a job is concerned), I'd recommend getting a CCIE over a Juniper cert every > day of the week and twice on Sunday! > > Network Learning deals with employers and CCIE candidates on a daily basis. > Currently, from our conversations with these people, corporate America is > not distinguishing between the different CCIE tracks; ie, if someone is > looking for a CCIE, at least 19 times out of 20, they dont care if it's an > R&S CCIE vs. a Security CCIE, etc. The R&S and Security tracks are still > too closely related to where it would really make a big difference. It > looks like the Security lab is just an R&S lab with a PIX thrown into the > mix (I havent taken the security lab yet, so I can't be a 100% certain, but > nor can I be breaking the NDA). Until that changes, I dont think there is a > huge advantage of getting the Security CCIE vs. the R&S CCIE as relates to > corporate America. However, I feel that this is one of the things that > COULD possibly change within the next 1-2 years (assuming there becomes more > distingushing factors between the two different tracks and corporate America > sees value in that). > > Dont have second thoughts about going after your CCIE. Put your whole heart > into and go "BALLS OUT!" It is a great stepping stone and accomplishment > for anyone in the networking industry. Don't let the misconceptions of a > few people discourage you. Good luck. > > thanks, > -Brad Ellis > CCIE#5796 > Network Learning Inc > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net > CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com > ""nrf"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Here's my thoughts > > > > * Yes, I know several CCIE's who are having trouble finding work. And > yes, > > I know one guy who has 2 CCIE's (R/S and ISPDial) who is having trouble > > finding work. For those of you who think it might be due to lack of > > experience, the guys I am talking about have at least 5 years of > experience, > > and the dual-guy has more than 10, including more than 5 at Cisco as an > SE. > > > > * My understanding is that the one-day lab is significantly harder than > the > > older 2-day lab. But of course, this might be compensated for by the fact > > that the wait list will be shorter (eventually). > > > > * I don't know that Cisco has too many CCIE tracks. Right now there are 3 > > active tracks. This is like the old days of the program, when they also > > used to have 3 (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN) [Note, Ok, in the really old days, I > > know there used to be only the R/S]. But I remember at one point last > year > > or so, there were actually 5 active tracks (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN, Design, > > SNA/IP). Now that really was too many tracks. > > > > * You're right, why bother (esp. with the R/S)? Sorry guys, I know this > > sounds harsh, and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but if I > had > > to do it all over again, I don't know that I would try to get the R/S. > > > > Now by that, let me be clear. There is nothing wrong with learning the > R/S > > material. That is always good. Everybody should learn the material that > > the R/S guy knows. But as far as doing actual test prep - getting my > > typing and configuration speed up so that I can set up BGP and OSPF in 10 > > minutes, actually paying for the test and travelling to the test site, I > > don't know that I would put myself through that again unless it was worth > > it. Let's face it. This isn't 1998-1999 anymore. Who knows when, or > even > > if, things will get better? Particularly when there is probably a much > > more valuable cert program out there. Which is why I am moving on to ... > > > > * Juniper. I don't think the same market forces hold for Juniper, at > least > > not to the same degree. The Juniper market is much less saturated than > the > > Cisco market. Consider this - there are about 6650 CCIE's out there, of > > which probably about 6400 are R/S'ers. Right now there are 20 JNCIE's. > So > > despite the fact that the demand for Juniper skills is smaller, I have a > > very difficult time believing it is 320 times smaller. You can check > out > > my old post (7:3485, posted 10/1/01, on Re:Is the CCIE really worth it), > > where I discuss this subject at length. > > > > > > ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, this > > is > > > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't > worry - > > > skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a lot of > > > structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills up. Keep a > > good > > > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > > > > > > > some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in networking > > > even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? > > > the 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and > > > cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or > com > > > when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe > > > same thing for juniper i guess > > > 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but now i'm having > second > > > though . > > > just my 2 cent Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24340&t=24336 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
