HOW is it people always read so much into what is said in an email? He simply stated he's sick that he has to pay & someone who committed a crime gets it for free. I can understand that. It's my tax $$ too. It's not elitism to say "hey...that's my money, why are you spending it on the guy who killed/robbed/stalked/etc. my neighbor?". He never said education shouldn't be implemented. As a matter of fact I did quite a bit of reading before writing this email & it turns out prisoners have access to more free college education than you might think.
http://www.soros.org/crime/research_brief__2.html shows alot of what you said was true in education of prisoners and I have to agree....but it's not elitism to want your $$ spent at least partly on things that educate more than just those who committed a crime against the tax payers who are funding it.... Relax! Don't read so much in between the lines! You're both right! Short comments inline: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Knox" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: RE: MAJOR OT: Free CCNPtraining for convicts [7:34039] > Oh I see, you subscribe to the school that thinks denying ex-convicts the > basic skill sets to survive and perhaps even thrive in society will somehow > benefit all of us. Yes, let's keep the downtrodden even further below the > higher classes! Only the already fortunate may benefit from white collar > jobs! Gee I wonder what happens when convicts finish their jail tail and > re-enter society without any means to support themselves... more crime, ya > think? See above. They already have access to free education in "most cases": (term stated multiple times on links from this page) http://www.prisonwall.org/link.htm has a few education links (I found many more by searching). > > But I guess you think locking people up in cages is tax money well spent, > right? Some of the elitism on this list is revolting. If you have anyone robbed/killed/etc & then don't think they should be locked up before they do it again....let me know. I've been robbed and if they ever catch the guy I hope he does his time. Grand theft and insurance didn't even pay off the remaining balance :( I've got 10 payments left on a motorcylce I don't even own. If that happened to you and the guy was caught & offered a free cisco cert while you were forking out several thousand...wouldn't you be a little upset? > > - Sean > > -----Original Message----- > From: Puckette, Larry (TIFPC) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:19 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: MAJOR OT: Free CCNPtraining for convicts [7:34039] > > > Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen anybody mention the character > reputation degradation that is sure to follow when these convicts populate > our ranks after their release. Looks like just another feel good image > enhancement project without considering long term effects to me. Cisco > should keep that in mind and realize that there are more people with proven > character strengths involved in the Cisco ranks now than the field will ever > need and not throw a bunch of rotten apples in to the mix. > > Just my 2 cents worth, hope it's just a urban legend.... > > Larry Puckette > Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP > Temple Inland > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 512/434-1838 > > -----Original Message----- > From: c1sc0k1d [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:52 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: MAJOR OT: Free CCNPtraining for convicts [7:34039] > > Cool... well I feel a little better now about my sentencing next week. Do > you know if I'll have newsgroup access? > > > > > > ""steve skinner"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > guys, > > > > my boss has just told me that cisco are trailing a few prisons where they > > are offering free CCNP training to convicts.... > > > > man does that just bite the buscuit..... > > > > i worked long and hard to pay for my exams.....get some work experience > > ....and at my expence (bieng a tax payer)i am funding a convict to learn > > about cisco..... > > > > i know about re-abilitation.....but it is just a bit sick that i as an > > individual,could > > > > a) been robbed by this man ... my house is trashed and my insurence goes > up > > (i pay ) > > b) funding him in prison to learn Cisco (i pay) > > c) comes out of prison and de-vaules a cert becuse he has no experience (i > > pay) > > > > > > does cisco want to have a "useless" cert system....(except ofcourse the > > CCIE)....because the more people who BLANTENTLY DONT have any experience > > witht these certs ...the less they mean... > > > > > > i`m sorry to rant....but sometimes i wish company`s would consider there > > future.. > > > > FACT (from Cisco) there will always be more jobs for NA/NP than IE`s > > > > 1)i get exams to be employable... > > 2)in order to get these exams i push the company`s kit .. > > > > i have recently installed some 4000`s over another companies kit,even > > thought the other kit is more than capable of doing the job..because i get > a > > side benefit of learning about the equipment and increasing my CV value > > .... > > > > 3)if i am working at a company and i dont want a cisco cert because it is > > worthless..why would i push that companies products.. > > > > i would simply push another company`s products to get my certs in the > there > > equipment ,to keep my employability.... > > > > 4) cisco dont sell as much equipment .... > > 5) certs become even more worthless.. > > 6) cisco sells even less equipment ....as no-one is trained anymore > > 7) cisco becomes Novell....(my appologies to all novell staff)... > > > > a little for-thought is all that required... > > > > as my boss says... > > > > " one of my main reson for buying kit is the amount of tech staff > availible > > to install/fix the kit...if there`s no staff there no kit" > > > > in a job market that is already depressed that last thing that is needed > is > > a flood of Certified but unexperienced people on the market.. > > > > the it industry is like no other ,in that fact that we have to CONSTANTLY > > update our skills ...that takes time,money and personal > > sacrfise....something i dont think cisco is at all concernd with... > > > > ahh welll..... > > > > no chance of a "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" list starting any time soon...?? > > > > Sorry for the downer.... > > > > steve > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=34181&t=34039 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
