I hope you are not being serious about '3rd party' firewalls.... I'm not
saying you shouldn't study pix if you want the cert....but resume's are much
more impressive the more firewalls you have under you belt.  Especially
firewalls that are more capable than pix.

Of course if your company does not plan on using DCOM or any other
proprietery protocols, then pix will be fine.. (although it's still expensive)
be careful with your planning though...pix's security strategy is based on
NAT....static in from a lower level interface and dynamic out from a higher
security interface... (and variances thereof)  It does not truly route
traffic like other firewalls... A way around this is the use of NAT 0, but
then even Cisco tac does not reccomend this configuration for highly
utilized interfaces.

-Patrick

>>> "Brian Zeitz"  02/07/02 11:21AM >>>
Netscreen wont help me with the Pix exam, or the cisco VPN exam or the
CCNP exams :) I like using Cisco stuff cause it's a standard, you can
find information on there site (and groups like this, thanks) when
things go bad. I am not big on any 3rd party stuff, because when you go
to an interview, its more likely they will have Cisco then any other
product for real networking :) Anyway, thanks for the suggestion, but I
don't think that will fly by the CTO.

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Ramsey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Brian Zeitz
Subject: Re: 3DES [7:34754]

ya know... I'm not trying to shoot pix down...but for the small
office..I would not even go that route....Go netscreen.... they can do
NAT, transparent bridging, and normal firewalling and they are not
expensive.  (and a snap to set up)  Not to mention that they support
site to site or site to user vpns out of the box
practically...(extremely easy to set up!)

$.02

-Patrick

for what it's worth we use border manager, severeal netscreens and two
pix 535's in failover..  ;)

>>> "Brian Zeitz"  02/07/02 10:38AM >>>
I have been looking at routers/firewalls. I am thinking of going with
the 2611 with a ADSL card, I also want to get a 515. Our office is not
that big yet, but I want to plan for the future. I see that the Pix 515R
only does DES, but doesn't do 3DES. But when I buy the router, I can get
it with 3DES. I am just kinda confused, where is the best place to use
3DES, on the firewall, or on the router? Or it doesn't matter. The way I
see it, if I wanted to do 3DES on the firewall with the 515, I would
have to buy the 515UR, which is about 10K. I don't really need the
thoughput for 100,000 users just yet though. Any suggestions on this?



Thanks in advance...



Brian Zee MCSE, CCNA, A+
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