I didn't realize you sent this to the group so, I will post my response here.
Harold, You have nothing to apologize for. I thought the hot vendor thing was funny. I am glad I found a place where people are in the same position I am in. It was really lonely trying to go through all these tests, reading, and studying on my own. I get the impression you are going through the same thing I am. You have experience in the IT field, your talented, motivated, passed some tests and your frustrated to find out its hard to break into the Cisco world. I hope things work out for you. In a way, I see us as in this togehter. If you ever need anything, don't hesitate to ask. If you live in New York City, I would be happy to share my lab. If you want resume help, just forward it to me. I haven't set a date. I have been working on the CCDP and the CSS-1. I think it will help my short term job hunting potential. I am taking a CCIE Lab class hopefully in July or August. I would like to attempt the test before my wife and I have a baby at the end of September. X -----Original Message----- From: Logan, Harold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Are all the Cisco jobs for CCIEs? [7:40328] x, I apologize if my email insinuated that you aren't talented or qualified; that wasn't my intent. I applaud your motives for pursuing the IE; they aren't far from my own. I think you should be prepared though, as should I, to find out after we get our numbers that the CCIE is going to be listed for many jobs as a minimum requirement. The job market is governed by supply and demand; it always has been, it always will be. The demand for IE's has dropped, while the supply is steadily increasing. Good luck with your job hunt, and likewise I hope your lab goes well. Have you set a date yet? -----Original Message----- From: x [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thu 4/4/2002 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: Are all the Cisco jobs for CCIEs? [7:40328] I guess I wasn't completely clear in my original post. I am not a recent CCNA graduate with no experience in the field or a "street vendor"(this one is pretty funny to me living in New York). I am looking for Cisco career advice. Judging from the responses, I am not the only person who wants to make the leap from a job that is part time Cisco to full time Cisco. I have been in the IT field for 6 years and moved from desktop, to Novell, to NT, to Unix. I passed the CNE and got a junior Novell position. I passed the MCSE and then got a junior position. I worked on learning OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, and Redhat Linux and got a NT/Unix job that included Cisco switches, a vpn concentrator, a PIX and a PIX to PIX vpn. I also passed the CCDA, CCNA, CCNP, and the CCIE written. I am planning on taking the CCDP and CSS-1 before finishing my CCIE. I have my own home lab complete with 6 routers and a Catalyst 5000. I would like to get more hands on Cisco experience in the real world before I try the CCIE Lab. I am in a position now where I am certified to a degree, have some experience, and a home lab. Usually at this point I can land a junior position and get real experience to move into a senior position. It just seems like a huge gap in the job market. All the job ads from Hotjobs, monster, and headhunter are looking for Cisco people are asking for CCIE's or people with 5+ years experience. These people had to get that experience somewhere and there must be Cisco positions that don't require a CCIE. I am going to go out on a limb assuming there are company's with 10 to 20 routers or resellers that need CCNPs or companies that can't afford to hire a CCIE, but need Cisco help. Where are these jobs posted? Do I need to know a secret handshake? hehe If you are a CCIE or have 5+ years Cisco experience how did you get it(Priscilla Openhiemer might have spelled that wrong or any other CCIEs or highly experienced people on the list)? I would like to hear your story of how you "made it." Maybe it can give me an idea of what I need to do. This brings me to why I want to be a CCIE. I first heard the CCIE was the most difficult certification to achieve when I was just starting in networking. I was told the CCIE Lab is almost impossible and there were only about 5,000 CCIEs compared to 80,000 MCSEs or CNEs. I was hooked. Its not about the money, because anyone can make plenty of money just doing Microsoft, Novell and/or Unix with alot less effort. It isn't because Cisco is "hot." Its because this is the biggest challenge in networking and when I do something I want to be the best. -----Original Message----- From: Logan, Harold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Are all the Cisco jobs for CCIEs? [7:40328] I don't mean to offend anyone, but the job market doesn't owe anyone a job, and I include myself with that statement. Right now a CCNA or NP with little or no experience is going to have as much luck selling that skillset as a street vendor selling "September 11th - We will not forget" stickers. There was a heavy demand for them 6 months ago, but there's hardly any demand for them now. If you don't think that analogy applies to IT, then there are some COBOL programmers I'd like to introduce you to. Face it, there is little if any demand forpeople with just a CCNA, or even an NP without much work experience. I feel bad for you, I really do. So adapt; look to see what there is a demand for, and more importantly what there will be a demand for, and work towards fitting that mold. Sorry if I sound bitter, but here's my perspective - every year my school kicks out at least a dozen CCNA's, and that's considered low. ----Original Message----- From: Lomker, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wed 4/3/2002 2:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: Are all the Cisco jobs for CCIEs? [7:40328] > How do I get a job that works with Cisco products, > without alot of experience or a CCIE? No kidding and good luck. Even when the economy was good I couldn't find a job. If you have a BSEE your odds are a lot better, but my business degree didn't get me anywhere. My current position is 75% NT and 25% Cisco. You might have to find a job like mine at a company that will give you some exposure to the Cisco equipment. [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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