"nrf" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Bullshi*. There are a significant number of guys lately who've passed the > lab who I wouldn't hesitate to call "paper" (heck, even they have honestly > referred to themselves as paper, usually after getting a few drinks into > them).
Significant? Help me understand the extent to which you use that word? If you're a proctor for CCIE labs and saw people day in and day out, then I would take your word for it..... I have yet to take the lab, but I'm trying to understand how someone could make it through the lab and still be considered "paper"..... Is the lab that big of a joke? Consider it's very high fail rate, I can't see it being sooooo easy that people can't pass without understanding what they're doing? At least to the same level that anyone else who ever passed the lab did.... Personally I use paper to mean someone with a cert that doesn't have any hands-on to match it.... like paper MSCE.. I worked with this kid who was 19, has his MSCE, CNE, and Master CNE, but had zero hands on.... definitely paper... but we're talking the CCIE lab here..... it's simply not possible (IMHO) to pass the lab without at least a minimum of hands-on (whether in a job or on practice equipment) to give one the skills to pass. > But I do agree with the premise that the main reason for the devaluing of > the cert is the bad economy, and the lab-rats are a lesser consideration > (still important, but lesser). But on the other hand, I think it is the > case that the CCIE will probably never attain the status that it once did, > simply because the we will probably never see another huge network buildout > orgy like the dotcom boom again in our lifetime. So while I believe the > networking industry will get better, people who thinks it's going to get > back to, say, 1999, are just deluding themselves. Agreed.... I don't thik we'll see things back like there were a couple of years ago. But I'm trying to draw a fine distinction between the devaluing of a cert (due to shoddy cert process) -vs- the salary that one pulls in with the cert. The CCIEs now (in general) don't make and probably in the future won't make what CCIEs of two years ago did. Is this a devaluation of the cert. Certainly not. That's the market.... that's the economy.... I don't believe that has much to do with whether employers and network professionals "value" the certification (i.e. consider someone with CCIE to be a true expert in networking). Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=43333&t=43306 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
