Inline ""Henry D."" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I agree with all of the people that because of the economy > most CCIE's won't see big salaries from few years back. > I also agree that "paper" CCIE doesn't really compare to > a "paper" MCSE, SCSA or whatever else. A CCIE needs > to have some hands-on. The problem is that lab testing has little > to do with real life environment. On top of that, there is so much > info out there on what's being tested on the lab that people have much > work cut down for them to pass the tests. This creates a limit of what > you really need to know for the lab and how you get to that level, > this limit however is not how a CCIE will be judged in real life > environment.
Exactly. You can be the greatest lab-guy in the world and absolutely bomb in the real world. What you have stated is the very reason why I am loathe to use the term "paper"-CCIE, because there really is no such thing. On the other hand, there is absolutely and positively such a thing as a lab-rat CCIE (meaning a guy who holds the cert but has no or limited practical real-world networking experience). > So, yes the salaries are gone, and yes there are some CCIE's who will have > trouble designing a "simple" network. I think as long as people don't cheat > themselves they will know whether they are worthy of this certification. > You need to take a look at yourself and forget about the little paper you > put on the wall or on your cubicle. The paper means nothing, it's what's in > you what really counts. And as far as that goes you can still make a > great living being a CCIE ! I think it's more accurate to say that you can still make a good living as a networking engineer, which may or may not include the CCIE. Again, like you said, it's really the knowledge that counts, not what pieces of paper you may have. Again, I know quite a few CCIE's, especially lab-rat ones, who can't find networking work. When you say "...you can still make a great living being a CCIE ", I know what you're getting at, but taking that quote at face-value without reading the surrounding context perpetuates the myth that all you need to do is pass that lab-exam and all of a sudden all these dollars and job offers will come pouring out of the sky. It's just not like that - at least, not anymore, > > CCIE #8472 > > > ""Johnzaggat"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Join Cisco and get CCIE in 3-6 months. Must be a typo. > > > > > http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/jobs/JobAgent?rm=jobdetail&req_id=703608&keywo > > rds=+ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=43347&t=43306 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
