""Erwin"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > nrf, reading all your long, sarcastic, and unreasonable comments, mostly > having a negative impact on hte Groupstudy, are you actually a CCIE?
Interesting. I get this a lot. But let me ask you this. Let's say I was a CCIE, would it change your mind? Probably not, so why exactly should I tell you one way or another? Because looks like you're not going to agree with me no matter what. > > You seem very jealous about ppl having a CCIE certifications, or at least > demoralizing ppl not to take CCIE if not 50 years old with rich networking > experience. Really? Did I say that? Please provide me instances where I have typed such a thing. Don't put words in my mouth. What I said is that not that I hate all 'lab-rat' CCIE's because everybody has to start somewhere.Rather that I find the phenomena that people view the CCIE as an easy shortcut highly suspect. This phenomena manifests itself in guys obtaining their cert and then immediately demanding a level of salary and respect equal to another guy who has significantly more experience. Or it manifests itself in guys who don't want to pay their dues and do grunt-work and just want to be the senior network guy without having spent any time as the non-senior network guy. It is that kind of behavior that is what I'm targeting. Is my finding this phenomena highly skeptical really objectionable? I think most people here would find it quite reasonable. > > > ""Tom Monte"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I want to write about all the posts that use the words "real" CCIE. I > hope > > we can beat this into the ground and never speak of it again. > > > > > > 1.) I think people should spend more time on technical issues and career > > opportunities and less on putting people into categories. "Yes, I have > less > > Cisco experience than most people on this list, oh my god crucify me now!" > > > > Lesson: Everyone starts knowing nothing. > > > > > > 2.) I have been working on Cisco certifications since 1999 and I > frequently > > spend a month studying for a single test, while it took me a month to get > my > > MCSE and a month for my CNE. I also only spent about $1,000 on those > > certifications and at least 8k on Cisco study materials. I also read alot > > about how the CCIE is devalued, because of the new one day format. You > have > > less time and cover the same material that sounds harder to me. > > > > Lesson: It isn't easy and it isn't cheap. > > > > > > 3.) Jobs only want someone with experience, but how do you get it? I > didn't > > get lucky enough to end up in a job where I got Cisco experience early in > my > > career. > > > > Lesson: No matter how smart you are, luck had something to do with your > > success today. > > > > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for > > the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended > > recipient, please delete the message and all copies of it from > > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and contact the sender > > by return e-mail. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44375&t=44342 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
