I agree with nrf. People are quick to jump to conclusions and forget to read comments posted in this group. Key word is "READ".
-----Original Message----- From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: dispelling CCIE myths [7:44342] ""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'm no psychologist, but he's posts can be quite aggressive, so I'm going to > say that that is a male behavior pattern. Well, I'd like to think that I'm aggressive only about behavior that I consider objectionable. The behavior to which I'm referring is guys who think that the CCIE not as a stepping stone in a career and a component that belongs in a wide suite of qualifications, but rather as an easy way to make money. Again, this manifests itself in guys who get the lab done and then think they now deserve the same salary as the guy who's been doing networks for ages. Or guys who have decided that they simply don't want to pay their dues and would rather be the senior network guy without having spent any time as the junior network guy. That's what I'm talking about, and I don't think this viewpoint is particularly objectionable or controversial. So when you read other people's comments about my comments, I would just ask you to look at what I have specifically said, and not what other people are claiming that I've said. If you don't agree with what I'm saying, that's fine, but don't put words in my mouth. > > > ""John Neiberger"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I also seem to recall that he is a CCIE and I have to completely > > disagree that his comments have a negative impact on the list. I don't > > recall a single one of his posts that has been unreasonable, including > > his comments in this thread. > > > > To the contrary, he's been an excellent contributor for quite a while. > > I'm not going to speak for him but I do notice that he tends to place > > more value on actual practical knowledge and experience rather than > > certifications alone. It's apparent that he has quite a lot of > > real-world experience in advanced topics so I feel his opinion is always > > worthy of consideration. > > > > Regards, > > John > > > > p.s. It just occurred to me that I really don't even know if nrf is > > male or female! Email aliases such as nrf and noglikirf are pretty > > gender neutral. :-) So, nrf, feel free to replace all references to > > he/him/his with the appropriate gender-specific terms, if necessary. > > > > > > >>> "Steven A. Ridder" 5/17/02 9:47:15 AM >>> > > I believe nrf is a CCIE. > > > > > > ""Erwin"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > nrf, reading all your long, sarcastic, and unreasonable comments, > > mostly > > > having a negative impact on hte Groupstudy, are you actually a CCIE? > > > > > > You seem very jealous about ppl having a CCIE certifications, or at > > least > > > demoralizing ppl not to take CCIE if not 50 years old with rich > > networking > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > ""Tom Monte"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > I want to write about all the posts that use the words "real" CCIE. > > I > > > hope > > > > we can beat this into the ground and never speak of it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.) I think people should spend more time on technical issues and > > career > > > > opportunities and less on putting people into categories. "Yes, I > > have > > > less > > > > Cisco experience than most people on this list, oh my god crucify > > me > > now!" > > > > > > > > Lesson: Everyone starts knowing nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.) I have been working on Cisco certifications since 1999 and I > > > frequently > > > > spend a month studying for a single test, while it took me a month > > to > > get > > > my > > > > MCSE and a month for my CNE. I also only spent about $1,000 on > > those > > > > certifications and at least 8k on Cisco study materials. I also > > read > > alot > > > > about how the CCIE is devalued, because of the new one day format. > > You > > > have > > > > less time and cover the same material that sounds harder to me. > > > > > > > > Lesson: It isn't easy and it isn't cheap. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.) Jobs only want someone with experience, but how do you get it? > > I > > > didn't > > > > get lucky enough to end up in a job where I got Cisco experience > > early > > in > > > my > > > > career. > > > > > > > > Lesson: No matter how smart you are, luck had something to do with > > your > > > > success today. > > > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely > > for > > > > the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not the > > intended > > > > recipient, please delete the message and all copies of it from > > > > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and contact the sender > > > > by return e-mail. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44382&t=44342 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
