I bought 02 books of ccbootcamp and the information isnot good.. J....
Jason wrote: > ""Brad Ellis"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Jason, > > > > Hi! thanks for the information. what technical topics did we miss in our > > lab scenerios? also, here is the general list of equipment you can use to > > do our labs: > > I guess somehow this pass through my newsgroup reader without me noticing > it. > If I were to tell you what topic you missed, then obviously I'll be breaking > the NDA..... > > > That's pretty much the list of gear that you need. When you say > "different > > equipment" are you referring to the different cabling you need to do? > There > > is a standard cabling methodology that we use on our racks so we do not > have > > to re-cable the hardware. If you would like to know what that is, you can > > check out our website. As far as presentation goes, we have them on > single > > sheets of paper so it makes it easier for you to do your labs. We could > > bind them together, but then it would make it much harder. Besides, do > you > > really care if it looks pretty or not? The focus of our labs are to help > > you pass your CCIE, plain and simple. We go right for the throat, and > don't > > mess around! :) Our scenarios our completely focused on the high-level > > engineer and expect the individual to really "know there stuff." I > thought > > I knew everything before I bought the bootcamp labs (and before I even > knew > > of ccbootcamp). After I went through lab8, I realized how little I > actually > > knew, and got my butt in gear for my studying. > > Anyway, I also have a standard cabling that works fine for me . I actually > spent time going through the lab scenerios trying to figure out if my eqpt > would works for the scenerio and how to optimize the eqpts placements , and > that waste lots of time because it has to be repeated for every lab > scenerio, I'm however glad that you are working on updating the scenerios. > > > We are in the process of going through ALL of the labs, removing the > errors, > > removing the old technologies, making the configs standardized for our > racks > > (frame-relay interfaces, router #s, etc), and including pre-config files > > (for IP addresses, etc, like the new 1-day lab). > > It's not so much the binding as the quality of the presentation, I could > scan a page and let everybody take a look at what I mean, part of the edge > of the page is missing, etc..However, I don't see the point to that.... This > info is just meant to help people decided ... The other problem is that the > labs was standardise on your eqpt, i.e. if you have AGS, you assume > everybody has AGS, etc... so it's difficult to find the exact number of > interfaces, etc as what you have in the scenerios.. > > > I would have replied personally, but you didnt include your email address. > > Sorry for the long winded response. Thanks for your input! > > No problem. > > > > > thanks, > > -Brad Ellis > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) > > Network Learning Inc > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > used Cisco gear: www.optsys.net > > CCIE Labs, racks, and classes: www.ccbootcamp.com > > ""Jason"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > I'm completely unbiased since I've bought both IPExperts and CCBootCamp > > (and > > > Solutionlab too). The fact that I got solutionlab and IPExpert too does > > say > > > something, CCBootCamp labs are not for everybody and doesn't covers > > > everything. > > > > > > Having gone through both, I would say that CCBootCamp has been the > > defactor > > > standard for CCIE preparation for a long time , but mistakes starts > > creeping > > > in somewhere in Lab 16 onward although Lab 19 and Lab 20 improved since. > > > > > > Quick Comparision > > > > > > First Look : The first feeling is sort of disappointment, since it's a > > stack > > > of papers, with no proper binding and even some info missing from the > > pages > > > due to bad photocopying. If I would give CCBootCamp a 5/10 for this, > then > > I > > > must give IPExperts 9/10 for this. Workbook is properly binded and all > > > printing done on glossy high quality papers . Diagrams are all in Colors > > and > > > definitely not using your inkjet printer. > > > > > > Lab scenerios : CCBootCamp has more diverse labs , but is more > distracting > > > due to the different eqpt requirements in each lab scenerios. IPExperts > > > builds on individual topics, making it easier to focus and also the > > standard > > > lab setup makes it easier to setup the lab and focus on configurations. > IP > > > Experts breaks their lab into 19 topics and then 5 full scenerios. > > > CCBootCamp scenerios is more tricky in certain ways. > > > > > > Recommendation : CCBootCamp for more experienced engineers and IPExperts > > for > > > those who wants to focus on individual topics. If you are not sure , I > > > suggest going for IPExperts first although I would give both 8/10 for > the > > > lab scenerios . > > > > > > Value for money : CCBootCamp is more expensive (about 50% more) , but > has > > > been around longer and has a proven ability to provides updates although > > > somewhat irregular . IPExperts has not stated their official policy on > > > updates, is it free or will there be some small fees. I have bought > > > CCBootCamp more than a year ago and I'm still receiving updates free . > > > Looking at the bigger picture, would $200 differences makes a huge > > > differences to you if you divided it by 12 months ? On the other hand, > > > IPExperts has also provided a couple of updates since they started and > has > > > proven to be responsive to comments. > > > > > > All in, I still find both good and I believe that the competitions would > > > only lead them to improve their services. If you have the $$$, get both, > > > otherwise, IPExperts would be a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Michael Cinquanti"" wrote in message > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > I too am completely biased (since I'm the Publisher of > CertificationZone > > > > and we sell the IPexpert Lab Workbook), but the fact that Mr. Ellis > > knows > > > > 150 CCIEs who have used his service does not support the idea that > > > > one Lab reference is the *best choice*. Since the ZONE has only been > > > > selling the IPexpert Lab Workbook since July, Brad knows that we do > not > > > yet > > > > have 150 customers who have used our book and passed the Lab Exam. But > > > > based on the way our book is flying off the shelf and based on the > fact > > > > that qualified reviewers have told us that our reference is an > excellent > > > > study > > > > tool, I suspect that it won't be too long before we do have that many > > > > CCIEs and more. > > > > > > > > As for constant updating, in the past three months, the IPexpert > > Workbook > > > > has been updated two times and already includes a sample lab in the > new > > > > one-day format. Yet another Update is being prepared now and will be > > > > distributed, free-of-charge, to anyone who owns a previous version. > > > > > > > > We have also had people who've passed the lab and people who've failed > > the > > > > lab review our book from cover-to-cover. The results are unanimous. > They > > > > think the IPexpert Book is a great preparation resource for the Lab > Exam > > > > and worth every penny it costs. We've published one such review (from > a > > > guy > > > > who's currently preparing for his second Lab Exam attempt) at the ZONE > > > > website. We should have a second review (from a guy who's already > earned > > > > his CCIE) posted at the site sometime this month. > > > > > > > > But I can't answer Pieter-Jan's original question -- and neither can > > Brad > > > > Ellis. Postings on Newsgroups and Mailing Lists can be helpful, but > > don't > > > > depend completely on what you read there. I urge all CCIE lab > candidates > > > > looking for appropriate references to examine all the alternatives > > > > carefully. Visit the websites, use e-mail and those toll free phone > > > > numbers, examine the qualifications of the authors, ask for > references, > > > and > > > > contact those references directly. If you find two you like and can > > afford > > > > to do so, buy them both. Good luck with the Lab Exam. > > > > > > > > >I am completely biased (since I am one of the owner's of NLI), but I > do > > > know > > > > >of over 150 CCIE's that have used the ccbootcamp labs to get their > > > CCIE...I > > > > >havent heard of one CCIE yet that has used the other labs to get > their > > #. > > > > >:) > > > > > > > > > >Also, the bootcamp labs are constantly being updated and added on to. > > In > > > > >fact, we are in the process of modifying all of our old labs by > > removing > > > the > > > > >obsolete technology and changing them to a 1-day format (which means > we > > > give > > > > >you pre-config files with IP addresses, not a real big deal there). > > > > > > > > > >thanks, > > > > >-Brad Ellis > > > > >CCIE#5796 > > > > >Network Learning Inc > > > > >www.ccbootcamp.com > > > > > > > > > >""Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen"" wrote in message > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > >> Hi, > > > > >> > > > > >> I'm looking to buy a CCIE Lab Workbook to prepare for my CCIE Lab > in > > > June > > > > >> 2002. > > > > >> I've found the following two on the net: > > > > >> > > > > >> - Certificationzone - IPexpert Lab Preparation Workbook 2.0 > > > > >> - CCBootcamp - CCIE LAB Package Subscription > > > > >> > > > > >> Has anybody used these and which one is considered the best > choice? > > > > >> > > > > >> Regards, > > > > >> > > > > >> Pieter-Jan Bakhuyzen > > > > >> CCNP, CCDP, MCSE > > > > Mike Cinquanti > > > > President > > > > Genium Publishing Corporation Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48373&t=24920 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
