Charles Riley wrote: I think you may have overreacted and scared everybody away! :-)
> > Chuck, > > > Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will probably > be reduced > to being the CCNP of today. They can still make CCIE much harder than CCNP and if it is much harder, it will be more valued (probably). > Regardless, I have spent too much > time and > money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but frankly, if I > hadn't invested > as much as I have, I would most likely abandon the quest in > favor of > broadening into other areas. I really don't see much market > value for the > CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent on making it a > meatgrinding > cash cow. They're just trying to save money, be more profitable. We are all trying to do that in these awful economic times. > Your java console and "one way only to configure" > experience kind > of bears this out. But we don't know if it will be that bad. They could do a good job with this, even if it is somewhat automated. They've got some really smart people working for them. I would say, continue with your plans (as you said you were going to) and don't get depressed! Watch for black/white thinking, over-reacting, generalizing etc. Those can lead to depression.... Priscilla > > Sorry for the depressing post, just wanted to share. > > Charles > > > > > > ""The Long and Winding Road"" > wrote in > message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Been spending this weekend on what was once the Cisco > Advanced SE Training > > ( ASET ) set of labs. These are available for those whose > Cisco account > team > > approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in > the wee places > > of certification training. > > > > The program is run by Lab Gear ( the only link I have is > www.labgear.net, > > but > > this is a login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE > level, look, and > > feel. > > > > Supposed to be real equipment, but the access is via java > script windows, > > not terminal emulation. This makes for some interesting > situations. The > > windows show or provide output only when they are active. So > if you had > two > > router sessions open, and you made changes on one router that > would > generate > > systems messages of one sort or another you would not see > those messages > on > > the other. also, I have yet to find a way to generate output > from > debugging > > commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or > another have not > > been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip ospf adj. > > > > As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be > completed. Grading > > is done via a script. This is the point of most interest. > Actually, I > > suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading is done using > scripting > tools. > > I believe the proctors still physically examine equipment > configurations > for > > some things, but I could be wrong. > > > > It is of interest because to judge from the script outputs I > am seeing, > > there appears to be an assumption that there is one and only > one way to do > > things. I'm not sure this is always true. I am not sure that > this results > in > > an entirely accurate grade. > > > > But more importantly, given my experience with the java > consoles and the > > manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like > where this > is > > headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and some other > people > started > > talking about back when the CCIE Lab went from two days to > one - something > > about the longer term goal being to do the test remotely, and > having > people > > show up at Sylvan or some other testing center and log in > remotely. > > > > If the Lab Gear approach is any indication, this is not ready > for real > live > > testing. I experienced far too many problems with terminal ( > javascript ) > > sessions disconnecting mysteriously. With 8 open windows, it > sometimes got > > to be very hard to find the session ( router ) I was looking > for. Cut and > > paste is a real pain. You have to open a "scratchpad" window, > which is > > associated with the javascript console window. cutting and > pasting is done > > to this wind. there are scratchpad windows associated with > each java wind, > > so if you had a scratchpad open for every router session, > that makes for a > > LOT of junk to fight your way through looking for what you > want. then > there > > is the problem of actually moving what you want to copy and > paste. > highlight > > and control c control v or alt e paste don't work. you have > to click on > > buttons on the java consoles to copy to and from routers. > > > > beyond that, there is the problems of whether or not the > "script" answer > is > > the right answer. For example, in one lab, a particular > instruction > requires > > that the rip routers on a particular segment have to use the > neighbor > > statement to see eachother ( and prevent other routers on > that segment > from > > joining into the RIP domain ) well, the problem is, one of > those routers > is > > connected to another RIP router via a different interface. > need a neighbor > > statement there too, but the script does not cover this, nor > does the > answer > > configuration show this. > > > > anyway, I have seen the future, and the CCIE Lab future looks > like it may > be > > heading to these kinds of remote lab settings. > > > > -- > > TANSTAAFL > > "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch" > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=62789&t=62776 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
