Glad you're not depressed and are continuing your quest. You should consider being a writer. Your writing is really good, although the dipping dots ice cream analogy is just not working for me. I just can't imagine freeze-dried ice cream for one thing. Does it use dotted-decimal notation? ;-)
Priscilla Charles Riley wrote: > > Thanks to all who wrote in. My Kafkaseque post yesterday > apparently touched > a chord (or nerve) with several folks. I was hoping to start > an OT > discussion on those Dippin' Dots ice cream, and draw analogies > to > networking. Heck, I would even settle for Howard asking a > variation of his > favorite question: "what is the ice cream you are trying to > eat?" > > In all seriousness, I haven't abandoned all hope yet, it has > just lessened > in importance and intensity for me. In response to CN's > question, I have > attempted the lab at least once, Brussels, way back when the > lab was a two > day lab, and the numbers were still quad digits.Without > violating the NDA, > let's just say that I will never forgive ISDN for what it did > to me. > > As far as my motives for CCIE chasing, the main reason I am > persisting is > that not only have I invested time, money, and freeze dried ice > cream, but > the CCIE quest motivates me to study topics that I don't > necessarily deal > with on a daily basis, and to practice exotic configurations > with those that > I do. OSPF through a GRE tunnel over an ISDN DBU to the > Dippin' Dots > website, anyone? > > Thanks, > > Charles > > > > > > > > ""Cisco Nuts"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hello Charles, > > > > With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for > the CCIE? I am > > curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab? > > > > Sincerely, > > > > CN > > > > >From: "Charles Riley" >Reply-To: "Charles Riley" >To: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he > future and > > it is.... [7:62776] >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT > > >Chuck, > > > >Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands > that I > > sometimes >see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called > something > > like "Dipping >Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future". The > initial human > > instinct is much >like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering > the monolith > > at the beginning of >2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and > down with > > excitement until you >realize it's just freeze dried ice > cream. > > > >Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will > probably be > > reduced >to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent > too much > > time and >money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but > frankly, if I > > hadn't invested >as much as I have, I would most likely > abandon the quest > > in favor of >broadening into other areas. I really don't see > much market > > value for the >CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent > on making it > > a meatgrinding >cash cow. Your java console and "one way only > to > > configure" experience kind >of bears this out. > >Sorry for > the > > depressing post, just wanted to share. > >Charles > > > > > > >""The Long > > and Winding Road"" wrote in >message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Been > spending this > > weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training > > ( > ASET ) set > > of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account > >team > > > > approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in > the wee > > places > > of certification training. > > > > The program is > run by Lab > > Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net, > > but > > > this is a > > login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look, > and > > > > feel. > > > > Supposed to be real equipment, but the access > is via java > > script windows, > > not terminal emulation. This makes for > some > > interesting situations. The > > windows show or provide > output only when > > they are active. So if you had >two > > router sessions open, > and you > > made changes on one router that would >generate > > systems > messages of > > one sort or another you would not see those messages >on > > > the other. > > also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from > >debugging > > > > commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or > another have > > not > > been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip > ospf adj. > > > > > > As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be > completed. > > Grading > > is done via a script. This is the point of most > interest. > > Actually, I > > suspect a lot of the current CCIE Lab grading > is done > > using scripting >tools. > > I believe the proctors still > physically > > examine equipment configurations >for > > some things, but I > could be > > wrong. > > > > It is of interest because to judge from the > script outputs > > I am seeing, > > there appears to be an assumption that there > is one and > > only one way to do > > things. I'm not sure this is always > true. I am not > > sure that this results >in > > an entirely accurate grade. > > > > > But > > more importantly, given my experience with the java consoles > and the > > > > manner in which these labs must be done, I am not sure I like > where this > > >is > > headed. Something Brian Dennis and Brad Ellis and > some other > > people >started > > talking about back when the CCIE Lab went > from two > > days to one - something > > about the longer term goal being > to do the > > test remotely, and having >people > > show up at Sylvan or > some other > > testing center and log in remotely. > > > > If the Lab Gear > approach is > > any indication, this is not ready for real >live > > testing. > I > > experienced far too many problems with terminal ( javascript > ) > > > > sessions disconnecting mysteriously. With 8 open windows, it > sometimes > > got > > to be very hard to find the session ( router ) I was > looking for. > > Cut and > > paste is a real pain. You have to open a > "scratchpad" window, > > which is > > associated with the javascript console window. > cutting and > > pasting is done > > to this wind. there are scratchpad > windows associated > > with each java wind, > > so if you had a scratchpad open for > every router > > session, that makes for a > > LOT of junk to fight your way > through > > looking for what you want. then >there > > is the problem of > actually > > moving what you want to copy and paste. >highlight > > and > control c > > control v or alt e paste don't work. you have to click on > > > buttons on > > the java consoles to copy to and from routers. > > > > beyond > that, there > > is the problems of whether or not the "script" answer >is > > > the right > > answer. For example, in one lab, a particular instruction > >requires > > > > that the rip routers on a particular segment have to use the > neighbor > > > > statement to see eachother ( and prevent other routers on > that segment > > >from > > joining into the RIP domain ) well, the problem is, > one of > > those routers >is > > connected to another RIP router via a > different > > interface. need a neighbor > > statement there too, but the > script does > > not cover this, nor does the >answer > > configuration show > this. > > > > > > anyway, I have seen the future, and the CCIE Lab future looks > like it may > > >be > > heading to these kinds of remote lab settings. > > > > > -- > > > > TANSTAAFL > > "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch" > > > > > > > misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. 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