Just curious, but didn't this all start when a couple of vendors got into a
pissing match over on the CCIE Lab list back when?


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From: "The Long and Winding Road" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:21 PM
Subject: CCIE Study Materials - Anti-Rant [7:62930]


> There was some off line discussion earlier today about an attempted post
> asking about CCIE study materials, in particular vendors of practice labs.
I
> don't see that particular post in the list today, so I'm going to assume
> that the decision was made not to allow it. And I am going to rant a bit
> about this and the topic of posting questions like "which study materials,
> which books, which practice labs are best for whatever?"
>
> Having been a regular participant on this news group for over three years
> now, I, like many here, have seen these same questions over and over. As
the
> off line discussion went - maybe we should tell whomever just to go search
> the archives.
>
> My rant is this - maybe I'm cynical, and maybe I've seen all the same
> questions over an over, but dammit, this newsgroup was started to help
> people prepare for certifications, and dammit just because I or anyone
else
> has seen the same questions over an over doesn't mean that everyone else
> has. These topics should be permitted, should be discussed, and names
should
> be named.
>
> I appreciate the concern about commercial posts. I appreciate that there
> have been a couple of people who have footers advertising all of their
> business ventures, and will regularly post "that's right" answers to other
> posts just to get their products and services out in front of this group.
>
> I appreciate that folks like Howard and Priscilla also have books and
other
> things to sell, but are welcome here because of their unselfish
> participation, and unselfish helpfulness.
>
> I appreciate that there are other sources of study materials and rent a
rack
> time than those whose names come up regularly here and over on the CCIE
> list.
>
> I appreciate that some of the purveyors of books and study materials don't
> bother participating on this forum, but that does not in and of itself say
> anything about the value of their products or services. I think a forum
like
> this is an appropriate avenue to discuss the options out there.
>
> While I personally don't care for a lot of the "what's best" questions
> because I think they beg he issue and really miss the point, I do think
that
> the purpose of this news list remains exchange of information and advice
to
> those who ask and from those willing to offer.
>
> I will finish this "anti rant" with two thoughts.
>
> 1) it's up to the participants here to determine how they want things to
go.
> If people don't want to read posts about "what's best" they are certainly
> free to ignore them. If they can offer advice, I believe people should be
> free to offer it. I certainly think people should be free to ask. I also
> think that vendors should not be sneaking in here under false names and
> false pretenses asking people to comment on their product.
>
> 2) in the end, I don't believe that any of the books or classes or
practice
> labs are better than any others in terms of preparing people for certs,
> particularly for the CCIE Lab. It is more important to read a lot, study a
> lot, practice a lot. Sorry to all of the purveyors of study materials for
> saying it, but the key is practice with lots of different situations, not
> practice with one vendor or another.
>
> Presented for your consideration.
>
> Chuck
> --------
> TANSTAAFL
> "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch"




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