There have been a number of requests on this thread for me to transfer the 4clojure.com domain name to a designated successor. I'm open to that in principle, but there are a couple issues.
1. I don't actually own the 4clojure.com domain name. That belongs to 4clojure's founder, dbyrne, who has been renewing it and pointing it at my server. I imagine he will be happy to transfer it, but there might be organizational hiccups I'm not aware of. If a successor is chosen, we can loop him in then. 2. I wouldn't want to transfer the domain to someone who turns out to be unable to use it - maybe setting up a copy of 4clojure is harder than one might imagine, since it's all 10-year-old technology. If any of the prospective new owners already have a copy of 4clojure running under a different domain name, I'd love to see it. Of course, the 4ever-clojure guys have already done this. 3. This is more of a "me" problem because my interaction with the Clojure community for years has just been the tiny IRC room and Stack Overflow, but so far all the offers to take on the mantle have come from people and companies I've never heard of. Maybe you're all pillars of the community now, but I just don't know it. I'd hate to give the name over to a group planning to do something nefarious with collected email addresses, for example. I feel like kinda a jerk for asking, since it's not like I was the greatest maintainer, but I don't suppose there are any old-time Clojurists who can vouch for any of these groups? Feel free to email me privately (amalloy@ the domain in question, for now!) if you'd prefer not to be on record as favoring one of these groups over the others. On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 9:13:09 PM UTC-7 brando...@gmail.com wrote: > Thank you Alan for all the work and time put into 4clojure, and thank > those of you who've started and contributed to 4ever-clojure! > > Cheers, > Brandon > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 2:38 PM Alan Malloy <mallo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've also exported the problem data: >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hHrygxAs5Do8FpHC9kphYnmyTwZvISnb/view?usp=sharing >> . >> >> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 2:22:33 PM UTC-7 Alan Malloy wrote: >> >>> I'm happy to see this project, and I think exporting some data is a >>> reasonable compromise. Rather than re-learn how to do any fancy mongodb >>> stuff to make it into "pretty" json, I've just done a raw JSON export of >>> the solutions collection, which is world-readable at >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UQHznThT_eVTBjmLGz3yME8L3teGygUs/view?usp=sharing. >>> >>> I'm contemplating doing a partial export of the users collection too: I >>> could connect usernames to IDs without including the email addresses or >>> passwords, which would let you rebuild most of the user information. But >>> I'm not totally sure this is a good idea: some people may not want their >>> usernames shared, or associated with their solutions. Does anyone in this >>> thread have an opinion? >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 9:58:29 AM UTC-7 oxa...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Alan for all your contributions :) >>>> >>>> Hosting things and maintaing them is really hard. We, the LambdaIsland >>>> team, are already maintaining clojurians-log and clojureverse and it's >>>> definitely not easy! >>>> >>>> With a wonderful idea from @borkdude and his `sci` library, I built >>>> "4ever-clojure": a completely static version of 4clojure which runs using >>>> cljs + sci. It interprets the code in the browser itself. >>>> >>>> It's live at: 4clojure.oxal.org (Source code at: >>>> https://github.com/oxalorg/4ever-clojure I'm planning to move it >>>> under the clojureverse github org) >>>> >>>> I have 2 asks from you if it is feasible: >>>> 1. An export of all solutions (only solutions, no user data needed) - >>>> the community is already coming up with some amazing ideas of hooking up >>>> user solutions to automatically commit to a Github repo >>>> 2. Possibility of transfering *4clojure.com <http://4clojure.com> *-or- >>>> *4clojure.org <http://4clojure.org> *over to us so that we can host >>>> 4ever-clojure there (instead of on a separate domain) >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> - Mitesh >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 5:56:10 PM UTC+5:30 Srihari Sriraman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Alan, we really like 4clojure. We've suggested using it for >>>>> training most people at nilenso and we're very thankful to you and all >>>>> the >>>>> contributors for that! >>>>> We (nilenso) would be up for picking up the hosting costs, and also >>>>> some other operations or development work if needed. >>>>> >>>>> It would be even better if we could work together and turn this into a >>>>> community owned project (ex: clojurists together >>>>> <http://clojuriststogether.org>). That might also assuage your >>>>> concerns about data ownership. >>>>> >>>>> The questions, and solutions that the community has put together on >>>>> 4clojure over the last decade are very valuable as a learning tool. >>>>> Perhaps >>>>> we can find a way to keep them around without attributing them to a user? >>>>> One idea might be to deactivate all existing accounts, and remove the >>>>> user >>>>> data (email, passwords, other PII) etc while keeping the questions and >>>>> solutions from those users. >>>>> >>>>> We would be sad to see 4clojure go away, hope we can find a way for it >>>>> to live on. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Srihari >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 1:12:44 PM UTC+5:30 Robert P. Levy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Alan, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just as a thought. If it's minimal work on your end (eg. if the >>>>>> folks from Roam research who chimed in above pick it up) why not clear >>>>>> the >>>>>> password hashes and let the new maintainer handle the communication that >>>>>> passwords need to be reset? >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 1:26 PM Alan Malloy <mallo...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> TL;DR: Turning off 4clojure.com by the end of July 2021 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, 4clojure problem solvers. You've probably noticed SSL errors >>>>>>> on 4clojure.com over the last week. The old decrepit system >>>>>>> 4clojure runs on has finally gotten out of date enough that I can't >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> figure out how to get it recent enough that SSL certs will auto-renew >>>>>>> anymore. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In principle I could start from scratch on a new server and move >>>>>>> 4clojure over, but I won't. 4clojure has been piggybacking along on a >>>>>>> server that I use for personal reasons, and over the years I have less >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> less reason to keep paying for that server - it's now pretty much just >>>>>>> 4clojure costing me an embarrassing amount of money every month because >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> haven't wanted to disappoint the community by shutting it down. This >>>>>>> SSL >>>>>>> thing is just what made me finally pull the trigger. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't have a specific EOL date in mind, but sometime near the end >>>>>>> of the month, since that's the billing cycle. Until that time, 4clojure >>>>>>> still works, as long as you don't mind clicking through the security >>>>>>> warnings - it really is still me hosting the site, and since the >>>>>>> connection >>>>>>> is still HTTPS (albeit with an invalid cert) I think that means your >>>>>>> data >>>>>>> is still safe. If you have solutions to problems you're proud of, >>>>>>> you've >>>>>>> still got some time to print them out and put them up on your >>>>>>> refrigerator. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not seeking new maintainers. I'd feel uncomfortable handing over >>>>>>> a database with so many email addresses and password hashes in it to >>>>>>> anyone. 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