Hi, Am 07.06.2009 um 14:26 schrieb e:
if someone just has a vimclojure set up for mac/tiger (and one for Windows) that can somehow be bundled, I'd be interested. I still haven't settled into any sort of reliable/intuitive environment for developing in clojure -- it's by far the biggest hurdle to everyone I know trying to get into it.
Please keep in mind: VimClojure does not claim to be an intuitive environment for Clojure per se. It tries to be intuitive for *Vim* users. If you weren't exposed to vim before, you will probably have a hard time getting started. Similar applies to emacs+SLIME. Also ClojureBox doesn't change that in my opinion. At a first look you might have a quick start, but then still there is the emacs hiding underneath. And no, I don't think, that emacs is more intuitive than vim... Netbeans and Eclipse (and probably IntelliJ) finally aren't masters of Intuition also. So what a "intuitive" environment is, mostly depends on your background. You are a Java hacker and grok Netbeans? Choose enclojure! You hacked the Linux kernel with Vim? Choose VimClojure! You have a CL background and are a SLIME guru? Well, choose emacs. If non of the above applies, you probably have to take the pill and learn one the environments. If you just want to get started with Clojure, use a simple text editor of your liking and a repl running in the shell/command prompt window. This works quite well and it forces you to think about the namespace structure etc. Friction caused by not-knowing the environment almost vanishes. Claiming that not having a full-fledged environment stops someone from using the language is a lame excuse. Neither Perl nor Python nor pick-your-lang had a full-fledged env two years after first public appearance. Still people managed to develop using them. That said, I think the current fauna of environments for Clojure is very rich. Each fills its own niche. Sincerely Meikel
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