thanks. I do grok, vim. the other point is less about what to do once it is all set up ... it's that setting up is a multi-step hurdle. That's what has been prohibitive for folks. The risk is sinking the time and ending up at some sort of dead end. For me, i had to hack like crazy, for example to get up through the the rlwrap point in one set of instructions. seems simple enough but compiling all the dependencies was a killer... required though in my case -- ports not working. So I was pretty much out of steam after 8 hours just as I was seeing all the VimClojure instructions. You are all right that it is a bunch of whining on my part, but remember that it's not just me. I represent a demographic.
I agree that all the progress being made is awesome. was mostly asking if that piece happened to have been done yet . . . . a vim analogue of clojurebox for Windows and Mac. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Meikel Brandmeyer <m...@kotka.de> wrote: > Hi, > > Am 07.06.2009 um 14:26 schrieb e: > > if someone just has a vimclojure set up for mac/tiger (and one for >> Windows) that can somehow be bundled, I'd be interested. I still haven't >> settled into any sort of reliable/intuitive environment for developing in >> clojure -- it's by far the biggest hurdle to everyone I know trying to get >> into it. >> > > Please keep in mind: VimClojure does not claim > to be an intuitive environment for Clojure per se. > It tries to be intuitive for *Vim* users. If you weren't > exposed to vim before, you will probably have > a hard time getting started. > > Similar applies to emacs+SLIME. Also ClojureBox > doesn't change that in my opinion. At a first look > you might have a quick start, but then still there > is the emacs hiding underneath. And no, I don't > think, that emacs is more intuitive than vim... > > Netbeans and Eclipse (and probably IntelliJ) finally > aren't masters of Intuition also. > > So what a "intuitive" environment is, mostly depends > on your background. You are a Java hacker and > grok Netbeans? Choose enclojure! You hacked the > Linux kernel with Vim? Choose VimClojure! You > have a CL background and are a SLIME guru? > Well, choose emacs. > > If non of the above applies, you probably have to > take the pill and learn one the environments. If you > just want to get started with Clojure, use a simple > text editor of your liking and a repl running in the > shell/command prompt window. This works quite > well and it forces you to think about the namespace > structure etc. Friction caused by not-knowing the > environment almost vanishes. > > Claiming that not having a full-fledged environment > stops someone from using the language is a lame > excuse. Neither Perl nor Python nor pick-your-lang > had a full-fledged env two years after first public > appearance. Still people managed to develop using > them. > > That said, I think the current fauna of environments > for Clojure is very rich. Each fills its own niche. > > Sincerely > Meikel > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
