Hi Meikel,
I think you did a fantastic job with VimClojure!
It's really what has gotten me started with Clojure and back to Java.
I had very carefully read your instructions, including the README.txt,
but still managed to not get it to work at first.
Of course I was the one that screwed up! Problem is, I had no idea
where it was that I screwed up!
Really, the question is, what should we assume the user should know/
doesn't know/shouldn't know.
For instance, there might be some implementations details that may be
important when installing, but likely to change
as VimClojure matures.
So, instead of adding more to the documentation, which could further
confuse the user, maybe we could try this:
- gather all the necessary installation steps, in the right order
(done! in your head at least)
- ask someone to write a single test for each step, and bunch 'em up
in a bash script
- notify the user when that step has failed.
For instance, a typical question I had, but could not verify, is : is
my classpath correct? Oh, yeah, that tilde thing...
An experienced Java user might laugh at this, but a beginner, or a
casual user would think differently.
We understand how much energy you put into this, so instead of having
you write tests, maybe someone else could do it.
I would love to, for the little stuff I know.
Another, perhaps stupid sounding point :) I want to make, is I think a
Vim+VimClojure+NailGun+Clojure self-contained box would work great.
All three would be so small a footprint (1/10th of Netbeans...), I
don't care for the redundancy of installs if I can install them and
get going in a few clicks.
Again, thank you for all your efforts and also the time you spend
answering people on the forum!
Vielen Danken!
Bokeh
On Sep 2, 11:14 pm, Meikel Brandmeyer <m...@kotka.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sep 3, 2:21 am, Bokeh Sensei <bokeh.sen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > vimclojure took me a whole weekend to get started.
> > it's sensitive to how it's setup, but with no way to automatically
> > verify the correctness of it.
>
> Ok. I give up. Obviously I'm not able to explain how to install
> VimClojure, neither with the README nor with the screencast.
>
> ANY VC USERS OUT THERE WITH A RUNNING SETUP!
> Please think about contributing some documentation on how
> to setup up VimClojure! I'm routine-blinded so any documentation
> from the "outside" with a fresh view is highly appreciated!
>
> > Try this in vim:
>
> > :call vimclojure#Repl.New()
>
> Please don't do that. Poking in the guts doesn't help. The problem is
> more likely in the setup.
>
> On Sep 2, 10:31 pm, ronen <nark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Iv been trying to use the Nailgun functionlity of vimclojure but Im
> > stuck on a silly issue, Im hitting <LocalLeader>el inside:
> > (println "hello")
>
> > And nothing happens, same goes for the rest options.
>
> Things to check:
> - Did you install the vim side of the plugin? ("ant install" should
> be sufficient)
> - Did you enable filetype plugins and syntax highlighting?
> - Is the filetype of the buffer correctly set to "clojure"?
> - Are the key mappings set up correctly? (Check with "nmap" and look
> for something like "Clojure....")
> - Are there error messages? (Check with ":messages")
>
> This should cover the "nothing happens" case. If that doesn't help, I
> will need a more detailed description, what you did to setup VC and
> how your .vimrc looks like. If there are failure messages, I'll need
> the message content. (Not the whole stacktrace, but what the message
> said...)
>
> > In addition its not clear to me how to start the REPL the doc/
> > README.txt says:
>
> > "Start a Repl via the |sr| shortcut. At the prompt just type
> > expressions"
>
> > Im typing sr with and without pipes with no avail.
>
> The pipes are a marker for Vim's online help system. Run ':helptags
> ~/.vim/doc' after installing the Vim plugin of VC to regenerate the
> tags file. Then hitting <C-]> on the text in the pipes or (in gvim)
> double-clicking it will jump to the referenced documentation. There
> you will be told that the key mapping is '<LocalLeader>sr'.
> '<LocalLeader>' is a configurable key which defaults to \. So the
> correct key mapping to start a repl is \sr. Similar the other
> mappings: \et, \eb, \lw, ...
>
> The '<LocalLeader>' can be configured via the special maplocalleader
> variable. When you put 'let maplocalleader = ","' in your .vimrc, the
> mappings will be ,et etc...
>
> More on these topics:
> :help helptags
> :help mapleader
> :help maplocalleader or :help <LocalLeader>
>
> > My vimrc settings are:
> > " Vim Clojure
> > let vimclojure#NailgunClient = "/home/ronen/.vimclojure/ng"
> > let clj_want_gorilla = 1
> > let clj_paren_rainbow = 1
> > let clj_highlight_builtins = 1
> > let clj_highlight_contrib = 1
>
> > Im starting Nailgun with:
>
> > java -cp ../.clojure/:build/vimclojure.jar:src/
> > com.martiansoftware.nailgun.NGServer 127.0.0.1
>
> This will not be sufficient. You will also need clojure.contrib.pprint
> and clojure.contrib.def in your classpath. Also the clojure directory
> looks suspicious. Did you mean the clojure.jar?
>
> Sincerely
> Meikel
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