I'll have to agree with Brain here. As of now, all I need is
Leiningen. It does what I want. Lein is a new project, and I'm fairly
certain that it will be much more useful in the future.
I don't think I've ever seen a language in which part of the community
shunned build tools written in the language itself. It's quite
hilarious.
On Mar 25, 5:17 pm, Brian Carper <briancar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 25, 11:55 am, Chas Emerick <cemer...@snowtide.com> wrote:
>
> > I published a blog post earlier today, along with a short screencast
> > that might be of interest:
>
> > "Like any group of super-smart programmers using a relatively new
> > language, a lot of folks in the Clojure community have looked at
> > existing build tools (the JVM space is the relevant one here, meaning
> > primarily Maven and Ant, although someone will bark if I don't mention
> > Gradle, too), and felt a rush of disdain. I'd speculate that this came
> > mostly because of XML allergies, but perhaps also in part because when
> > one has a hammer as glorious as Clojure, it's hard to not want to use
> > it to beat away at every problem in sight."
>
> Ruby: gem install X
> Perl: perl -MCPAN -e shell, then "install X"
>
> Why does building and installing dependencies have to be harder than
> this? Lein right now tries to fill this niche of being braindead easy
> to use, and comes pretty close. I realize Maven does a lot more than
> build and install dependencies, but for some of us, that's all we want
> out of life, and it's pretty nice when it's that easy to do so.
>
> My dream tool would be:
>
> 1) Platform-agnostic (for us sorry souls stuck on Windows at work)
> 2) IDE-agnostic ("make a Netbeans project" is great, but Emacs users
> need some love too)
> 3) Easy to understand and use for the kinds of tasks Lein covers (I
> don't want to have to study a Maven book(!) if I can avoid it)
> 4) Able to handle most or all Clojure and Java libraries I want to
> install (I don't want to have to circumvent the build tool and do
> things manually if I can help it)
> 5) Able to easily "browse" or search for packages in remote
> repositories, would be nice
>
> Rubygems and Perl's CPAN can handle those kinds of things, for
> example. If Maven can be those things, I'll have an XML sandwich for
> lunch with a smile if necessary. : ) Maybe it can and the community
> just needs to standardize around Maven and provide good documentation
> and community support for using it with Clojure. I just hope the
> community standardizes around something; any standard is better than
> everyone using a different tool.
>
> Thanks
> --Brian
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