Well, I'm glad to have you in the Clojure community, Jay. I come from a Ruby background too, and I've enjoyed your blog over the years. Your interest in Clojure has helped me get other Rails developers at work excited about Clojure.
On the topic of community attitude, I agree with you. There are some people in the community who are supernaturally helpful and welcoming to newcomers, while there are others who seem to have the opposite effect. As someone who can be at times oversensitive and at other times abrasive, I understand both sides. In the end, I think it is up to the community leaders to set the tone and to publicly call people out who are being jerks. I certainly hope people would call me out if I'm being one. On Dec 21, 9:45 am, Kevin Downey <redc...@gmail.com> wrote: > great, yet another email on the list so unrelated to clojure that not > only does it contain no code, but no reference to code. if you need to > whinge publicly please do it on your own blog. if you don't feel like > the clojure community is giving you the love and support you need then > I am sure rails will take you back. > > Sent from who cares > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Jay Fields <j...@jayfields.com> wrote: > > I was involved with Ruby and Rails in the early days. The Ruby mailing > > lists / conferences were always kind / helpful and the Rails lists / confs > > were always hit and miss. There were plenty of great Rails people, and > > enough jerks to upset anyone. > > > I read this (Clojure) google group pretty frequently awhile ago, but took > > several months off. I returned a week ago and after the first day I emailed > > Stu H. And said: Is <name withheld> one of the leaders of the community > > now? He seems really abrasive. > > > Having been through this before I'd recommend a few things. > > > - individually, > > -- reword responses from: "why would you do that" to "I prefer my solution > > because...". "that's not functional and it's ugly!" to "I believe my > > solution is more in-line with FP style" etc. The trick is to focus on what > > you are looking for (and the positives of the idea) instead of attacking > > someone else's solution. > > -- in niche communities, once you're labeled as a jerk, you're in trouble. > > People won't work with you. People won't answer your questions. And, people > > (often unfairly) assume you are wrong, simply because they don't like you. > > You can deal with this in a large (mostly anonymous) community. In a small > > community it's career limiting. > > > - community > > -- it might be worth coming up with a few basic rules and removing people > > who can't follow them. Obviously, this isn't an easy task, but it might be > > worth the effort. > > > Also, what happened to Rich? It seems like many wasteful discussions could > > be more easily put to bed by his response instead of the current "here's a > > video of Rich from a year ago" or "here's a link to something Rich wrote in > > the past" > > > Or, maybe I'm oversensitive and things are fine. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > > your first post. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > -- > And what is good, Phaedrus, > And what is not good— > Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
