On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 8:57 AM, James Keats <james.w.ke...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 18, 4:08 pm, Stefan Kamphausen <ska2...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> these modern IDEs really do a tremendous job at organizing projects and >> providing additional information at programming time. It's just, their >> text-editor components suck. >> >> If you are a Java developer, it's probably better to stay away from Emacs. >> Should you ever get used to it, you're doomed to never be able to use >> something else, and Emacs is not particularly good at Java programming.
Minor correction: if you get used to Emacs, you'll never want to use anything else. Not only that, you'll want to spend lots of time customizing emacs. ;) FWIW, I've never had a problem programming Java in emacs. >> > > See, this is it. Navigating java libs, maven repositories, project > directories, xml files, et cetera et cetera is a much more arduous > task, That's funny, dired, bookmarks, and lots of related capabilities are one of the main reasons I stick with emacs. Makes dealing with that kind of stuff almost trivial. > Strangely, I must admit that in the past I did find vim a bit more > modern than emacs and its keys generally more sensible, especially > when using shift-semicolon instead of esc. I just looked it up and vim > does have clojure support with paredit and slime. My main problem with > emacs is that most things require too many key presses I suggest you reserve judgement until you actually learn how to use emacs productively. Then the misgivings you have now will probably strike you as trivial non-issues. One reason I like emacs is precisely because it allows me to minimize my keystrokes easily (and almost never touch the mouse). In the meantime, if you're reluctant to commit to climbing the learning curve, spend some time poking around http://www.emacswiki.org/ to see what kind of things emacs can do for you. The point being that it is a mistake to view emacs as an editor. Vim is an editor (and a fine one, no flames please); emacs is really a general purpose device with specialized text-editing capabilities, along with zillions of other built-in and add-on capabilities developed and refined over the space of at least three decades. If it's a programming (or admin) task, somebody has probably figured out a way to make emacs do it efficiently and painlessly. Even cooler, somebody has probably figured out an innovative way of thinking about and solving it. If keystroke count has you losing sleep, check out http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SkeletonMode, http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AbbrevMode, http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DynamicAbbreviations (I use this one all the time), templates, yasnippet, etc. etc. Not to mention plain old keyboard macros which are very simple and useful. Don't forget http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CategoryHumor -Gregg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
