It would be nice if there were an alternative to the CA for small documentation contributions.
Wikipedia is largely built up from a small pool of dedicated people but many valuable contributions come from small anonymous edits. On Saturday, 6 October 2012 18:22:32 UTC-5, Luc wrote: > > > The validity of a scanned signature or electronic keys is subject to > interpretation > and assessment on a per case basis especially in civil contracts by the > diverse > legal systems on Earth. > > It's not the Clojure community that is behind, it's the legal systems of > many countries > that did not follow the pace of technology. Some will not recognize > scanned signatures > at all. > > On the other hand, original hand written signatures are recognized almost > every where. > > As much as you complain about the paper CA, you should complain about > the legal systems of these countries that do not follow US and western > Europe > attempts to recognize technology changes and adapt to it. > > You analyze the issue by the wrong end > > It's not a technology issue, it's a legal one. > > You could have the best electronic authentication scheme, if it's not > recognized by a country's legal system, it's useless in court in this > country. > If claims rights on contributions not backed by a CA in a valid form as > defined in this > country, it's a lost case. > > Big organizations have the tools and budgets to fight in various legal > systems > out there. Not small open source projects or projects without big > sponsors. > > I understand and approve the requirement of the original hand written > signature in > this context. That's a real life issue that cannot be dealt with by > technology alone. > > If a national mail system is not able to get reliably an envelope to the > US > within 4/5 weeks, I would be very concerned about the state of their legal > system. > > Luc > > > > 2012/10/7 Softaddicts <lprefo...@softaddicts.ca <javascript:>> > > > > > I do not agree at all with you. Any piece of software that gets used > widely > > > needs to be maintained with some formal process otherwise there's no > way > > > to insure consistency of future releases. It gets worse as you > increase > > > the # of people that can modify code. > > > > > > > Sorry, have you tried reading what people who complain about the CA > > submission process > > actually complain about? They do not complain about having the CA. They > are > > not eager to > > jump in working on the language. They complain about being shut out from > > contributing *anything* > > (including documentation and updates to libraries like data.json) by the > > requirement > > that CA has to be mailed in paper, in the year 2012. > > > > We have posted examples of projects and corporations that accept PDFs > over > > email: > > Oracle, OpenJDK, Apache Software Foundation, Neo4J. Scala and Opscode > found > > more creative solutions > > that use OAuth and similar techniques. > > > > As far as the number of language designers, I think there is little > > disagreement that the number Clojure has right now > > (1 or 2, with some influence from maybe 5-6 more) is about optimal. > There > > is much more to success and adoption > > of Clojure than just language features, design, consistency and other > > things that may benefit from this "tight grip". > > > > > > > > > > Tickets may seem to you as overhead but it's a decent way to track > issues > > > and > > > fixes according to release plans. > > > > > > Looking at a bunch of commits in git is limited compared to dedicated > > > ticket logging solutions like Jira. Providing patches attached to the > > > ticket links > > > the ticket to the code in git is much more usable. > > > > > > Refusing pull requests is a way to force issues to be logged in Jira. > > > The main entrance gate is in Jira, not the other way around. > > > > > > > > This is all handwaving. You can use a bug tracker and plan the hell out > of > > releases on github. > > Many projects do so. However, how quickly contributions are accepted > > matters a lot for smaller improvements > > like the Jay's example. > > > > Go take a look at repositories under github.com/clojure, you will find > > 10-20 people contributing small improvements > > and being rejected every single month. Do you really think most of them > > actually will come back? Do you have the > > guts to say they should not be considered valuable members of the > community > > because of that? > > > > If you make something difficult or time consuming, people will do it > less. > > > > > > > Clojure is not the only open source projects driven by a ticket > reporting > > > system. > > > > > > This may look as overhead to you but it is still lighter than similar > > > processes in many software businesses. > > > > > > You can report the kind of problems you highlighted on the mailing > list > > > so at least others can take ownership of the issue if you do not feel > > > inclined to post it in Jira. > > > > > > > It's about even having a chance to participate. JIRA and patches are > > annoying to anyone who has used github for > > at least a few months but it is not really a big deal to anyone I know > who > > is unhappy about the situation. > > > > It is all about the fact that if you do not live in North America or > > western Europe, you are shut out of the game. > > And the reason why CDS distances itself from Clojure/core and the > existing > > process as far as possible is to at least give Clojure users > > a chance to help with the biggest pain point: documentation. > > -- > > MK > > > > http://github.com/michaelklishin > > http://twitter.com/michaelklishin > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To post to this group, send email to clo...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > clojure+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > -- > Softaddicts<lprefo...@softaddicts.ca <javascript:>> sent by ibisMail from > my ipad! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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