It works for Oracle because they have the $$$ to support it. You just confirmed that we are on the same wavelength, they have the weapons to nail anyone who would like to exercise exclusive rights on some contribution made under their CA even if that individual lives in Kazakhstan.
They have the infra structure and several offices in various Countries and continents to cover their ass. Just to keep in touch with our marvelous legal systems in North America, read this: http://hrdailyadvisor.blr.com/archive/2010/08/20/Epinions_Employment_Law_Update_Scanned_Documents.aspx The first question/answer is pretty instructive. It's easier to avoid the whole issue with a piece of paper. Maybe in ten years things will have settled somehow. The above is dated from 2010 that's not far away. I will not anything else to this thread, the world is as it is. I you think that you are frustrated, maybe we should have a drink together and I could explain how much I am frustrated by this shattered world.... Do you expect to drop at the Conj ? Luc > 2012/10/7 Softaddicts <lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca> > > > The validity of a scanned signature or electronic keys is subject to > > interpretation > > and assessment on a per case basis especially in civil contracts by the > > diverse > > legal systems on Earth. > > > > It's not the Clojure community that is behind, it's the legal systems of > > many countries > > that did not follow the pace of technology. Some will not recognize > > scanned signatures > > at all. > > > > On the other hand, original hand written signatures are recognized almost > > every where. > > > > > A reminder: scans work for Oracle and ASF. Oracle probably has x100 as many > lawyers as > Clojure/core, lawyers several times as experienced and about x10,000 times > as much experience with this stuff as a company. And it works for them. > > > > As much as you complain about the paper CA, you should complain about > > the legal systems of these countries that do not follow US and western > > Europe > > attempts to recognize technology changes and adapt to it. > > > > You analyze the issue by the wrong end > > > > It's not a technology issue, it's a legal one. > > > > You could have the best electronic authentication scheme, if it's not > > recognized by a country's legal system, it's useless in court in this > > country. > > If claims rights on contributions not backed by a CA in a valid form as > > defined in this > > country, it's a lost case. > > > > Big organizations have the tools and budgets to fight in various legal > > systems > > out there. Not small open source projects or projects without big sponsors. > > > > I understand and approve the requirement of the original hand written > > signature in > > this context. That's a real life issue that cannot be dealt with by > > technology alone. > > > > If a national mail system is not able to get reliably an envelope to the US > > within 4/5 weeks, I would be very concerned about the state of their legal > > system. > > > > Sorry to break it to you, but legal systems outside of a few countries are > seriously > broken and it will take decades and many lives to fix this. And I assure > you, people who > live in those countries are just as concerned as you are, thanks for caring. > > So the system is how it is. Clojure/core can > accept this unfortunate fact and find a way to accept CA submissions > electronically. > > Or they can ignore all the complaints (again, not about the CA per se, but > how it is currently submitted) and lose many potential contributions. > > Contributions from people who really want to make Clojure better, ready to > spend > many hours of their time contributing but were not lucky enough to be born > in the Wonderland called Canada, where the law rules and the sun shines (at > least 2 months of the year). > > It always starts with contributing something small. Then something else > small. > Then something slightly more significant. And next thing you know, you are > a major > contributor. That's how it started for every single active OSS contributor > I know. > -- > MK > > http://github.com/michaelklishin > http://twitter.com/michaelklishin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- Softaddicts<lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca> sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
