FWIW, about the only thing about clojure.test that I miss occasionally
when using Expectations is 'each' fixtures for a subset of tests but
the work involved in wrapping an expression in a try/finally with the
resource setup and tear down I need is usually so minimal that's it's
not even worth writing a macro to standardize the boilerplate (at
least, it hasn't annoyed me sufficiently to make it worth doing yet).

Sean

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Steven Degutis <sbdegu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree, we should survey users of existing tools. The thing is, we *are*
> those users. The aforementioned brainstorming session was just what you're
> suggesting. That's what I'm suggesting this mailing list thread be.
>
> For example, I never use Midje's "a => b" outside of a macro. I always wrap
> fact around it like "(fact a => b)". Firstly because it's clearer to skim
> for assertions this way. Secondly it works much better with paredit. Now you
> know how I feel about Midje. If more people chime in with thoughts like
> this, then we'll have pretty good data to start with.
>
> -Steven
>
> On Sunday, June 9, 2013 6:11:38 PM UTC-5, Brian Marick wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Steven Degutis <sbde...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I think we all agree that it's extremely important to discuss the SPEC
>> > as a community. In fact, since this is a pre-ANN, let's consider this 
>> > thread
>> > the perfect place for such a discussion.
>>
>> I suggest that surveying users of the various existing tools for how they
>> use them and what they want is a more important first step than worrying
>> about a data model.
>>
>> For example, it would be good to know what parts of Midje that I
>> personally obsess about are in fact unimportant to the typical user.
>>
>> Although open source projects (Midje, certainly) are about one's own itch,
>> it also helps to see where the users are scratching.
>>
>> --------
>> Latest book: /Functional Programming for the Object-Oriented Programmer/
>> https://leanpub.com/fp-oo
>>
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