>> It might surprise you to know that there are actual human beings with feelings who write the software you slam.
You are right. And I apologize for my strong words. For the goals that Midje strives for, it is an excellent library. My reaction is more against the ideas behind Midje (from the docs): "I believe you should have the same reaction to test suites written like that: a slavish adherence to Lisp style in tests incorrectly exalts purity over user-friendliness. " I disagree strongly with this assertion. I wish to see my tests in the same language as my code. Midje succeeds in reaching the goals that it sets forth. I can write tests, top-to-bottom, left-to-right. But at the expense of debugging power, and intuitiveness. It may be harder to read: (is (= (foo 1) 42)) But even a beginner programmer in Clojure can parse and understand it. I think the ideals Midje enspouses may be more applicable in other languages, and IMO they are not needed in Clojure. These are all my own, highly biased, opinions. I congratulate you, Brian, on a well written, mature, library. I simply question the premise. Timothy On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Brian Marick <mar...@exampler.com> wrote: > > On Jun 10, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Timothy Baldridge <tbaldri...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Midje on the other hand, is a massive pile of macros and DSLs that so > complicate your code that advanced tests are insanely hard to debug. ... > And I can't tell you how many dozens of hours I've lost trying to figure > out why Midje doesn't like my test results. > > It might surprise you to know that there are actual human beings with > feelings who write the software you slam. > > Before people spend dozens of hours being frustrated, I suggest they post > to the Midje mailing list. I try to be reasonably responsive, and I have a > good track record helping people with their problems. > > -------- > Latest book: /Functional Programming for the Object-Oriented Programmer/ > https://leanpub.com/fp-oo > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that–lacking zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs.” (Robert Firth) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
