Timothy, Brandon, Cedric, et al.:

Separating out the Discoverer from the Runner in the SPEC is a bad idea.

The main benefit mentioned so far for such a separation is so we can have
different definitions of what constitutes a test. For example,
test.generative can generate multiple tests from just one block of code.

But this creates the same incompatibility problem that we already have
between existing test suites. Instead, if we have a single definition of a
test, every definer is compatible with another.

And the current definition is already flexible enough to let you generate
multiple tests based on one block of code, like test.generative does.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Cedric Greevey <cgree...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You pass not the Discoverer's results to the Runner, but the Discoverer
> itself, which the Runner then invokes at need, possibly more than once.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:35 AM, Steven Degutis <sbdegu...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Originally we had Runner split into Discoverer and Runner, but I had to
>> combine them both in Runner again so that we can have an autorunner.
>>
>> Imagine that you've started your autorunner at the command line, and you
>> create a new test in your existing file and save it. The discoverer has
>> already done his role and found all existing tests and passed them to the
>> runner, so the runner can't see your new test, he only re-runs the tests
>> that existed when he first started.
>>
>> That's why I combined them again. So that he could re-discover all the
>> tests "matching some criteria" and run them.
>>
>> So how do you solve this problem while separating Discoverer from Runner?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Brandon Bloom <brandon.d.bl...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> There are currently 4 roles defined: Definer, Asserter, Runner, and
>>> Reporter.
>>>
>>> It looks like the "Runner" does finding, filtering, and execution. I
>>> think you could further break the Runner down into Discoverer and Executor.
>>> I might want to just ask "What tests do I have?" without actually running
>>> anyway. I may also want a different Executor, like a distributed/parallel
>>> executor, while preserving the discovery logic.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 8, 2013 11:14:42 AM UTC-4, Steven Degutis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Test2 is a new testing lib for Clojure, where the power is its
>>>> simplicity, extensibility, and a 
>>>> SPEC<https://github.com/evanescence/test2/blob/master/SPEC.md> much
>>>> like Ring's.
>>>>
>>>> Github: 
>>>> https://github.com/**evanescence/test2<https://github.com/evanescence/test2>
>>>>
>>>> Some background: It came out of 
>>>> discussions<https://github.com/evanescence/test2/wiki/Communal-Brainstorming>
>>>>  with
>>>> the smart folks in #clojure, who were frustrated with the inflexibility of
>>>> existing libs, and intended this to be the spiritual successor to
>>>> clojure.test. We wanted something that was still simple like clojure.test,
>>>> but could be extended externally much more easily in case you wanted
>>>> features found in clojure.test, Midje, Speclj, or Expectations, or whatever
>>>> else.
>>>>
>>>> This is a pre-ANN because it's more of a call for extensions. I've
>>>> written one last night, 
>>>> test2-autorunner<https://github.com/evanescence/test2-autorunner>,
>>>> which took about an hour. This should give some idea of how easy it is and
>>>> how well-designed the SPEC was by the smart folks of #clojure. There are
>>>> some ideas at the bottom of the wiki, but of course any extensions are
>>>> encouraged.
>>>>
>>>> -Steven
>>>>
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