Sweden has some things going for it, and some not, as always. I think business overall is somewhat less cutthroat here than in the States, which is why it struck me that I might be making assumptions about what OP should or should not do out of ignorance of his situation. The scape goat reasoning really brought this home.
At the two most recent places I've been (I'm a consultant, a UX designer), they've worked with autonomous teams. That is, the teams are themselves responsible for deciding how to solve a problem, sometimes including what programming language to use. One result of this seems to emerge (I only have a sample size of two) a microservice centered design and a general decoupling between the teams. Also, it naturally seems to lead to a more heterogeneous environment, for good or for bad. This seems to be somewhat self-regulating however, as other most members of a team will protest if one member wants to write the new service in the Shakespearean Programming Language, for example. It also leads to the same kind of resistance to more sensible choices as well, like Clojure. But unlike SPL or Brainfuck, they actually have chance of being used if they show merit, probably by filling some niche role to begin with. When I was with Spotify, I learned that they had snuck in some Clojure in one of the teams of the organization. No one has been fired yet, and everyone seems happy enough. Especially the people who now get to do at least *some* Clojure during their work day. Oh, and like Linus, I try to promote Clojure wherever I go. As a designer, I'd love to work with a team that uses Clojure. That is, a team that understands that incidental complexity eventually seeps out to for the user to deal with, and so on. Unfortunately, being framed as a designer means I have less natural authority when I say that Clojure is awesome. Although this is somewhat mitigated somewhat by the sheer shock of having a designer saying something comprehensible about a programming language. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:44:18 AM UTC+2, Quzanti wrote: > > "If an investor were kicking people out, its usually because money is > running low or for other more diffuse reasons. If an investor or boss > somewhere where kicking out people at random, he would quickly loose > respect from his other employeers. The rest would soon leave as well." > > Hence the need for a scapegoat. Generally if an investor can make 20% of > their startups work, people will blame the technologists for the failure of > the other 80%, and the investor will have a PR machine to distort the > history if needed. But yes, startup hubs work best when there are angel > investors who want to build a personal reputation or where the > institutional investors have strong links with the universities producing > the start up talent and so don't want to jeopardise those (eg the Stanford > University system). Even the best VCs will shut down the majority of their > start ups though, so you'd think that would make people avoid them, but > there are always people out there who need money to try and realise their > dreams. > > All a bit tangential to the the original thread question though, which was > assuming a high growth, high pressure, scale it up fast, need results kind > of culture, would Clojure be a good fit? > > On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:46:48 PM UTC+1, Linus Ericsson wrote: >> >> Well, for better or worse we don't like conflicts that much. This has >> benefits when it comes to some kinds of problem solving (the way to >> consensus in Swedish companies is worth at least a chapter in a big book >> about antrophology). This shyness for open conflicts can lead to stagnation. >> >> This means that status quo is not turned over that easily, but when it >> does, it happens like an avalanche (cow oscillator comes to mind). >> Stockholm University has Clojure and Erlang in its second year curriculum >> for computer science. Just saying. >> >> Apart from that, its 3kloc database queries and Java classes galore and >> Wordpress shops all over, like everywhere else. The single larges group >> of workers in Stockholm is of course computer programmer. 33000 people out >> of a million of so. >> >> If an investor were kicking people out, its usually because money is >> running low or for other more diffuse reasons. If an investor or boss >> somewhere where kicking out people at random, he would quickly loose >> respect from his other employeers. The rest would soon leave as well. >> >> "In Sweden we have a system..." the ironic saying goes, but the truth is >> that even though the housing situation is outright catastrophic, you would >> not ever be put on the street if you wasn't psychotic enough not to accept >> the help offered (worst case you would end up in a sad, sleepy, far far out >> suburb with long commuting distances, but hey). The social security system >> is simply generous enough to make sure people gets back on track, should it >> be long time unemployment or whatever (this, and elderly care jobs, are >> powering much of the popular music industry here). >> >> Ah, everybody generalizes all the time. Henrik can nuance the picture. >> >> I have been programming and promoting Clojure quite aggressively for some >> years (it's hard not to), and the last months people have been starting to >> say "yeah, my java friends really likes it" or "yes, my bf likes it too". >> >> Wind of change. >> >> /Linus >> working at Agical AB, a consultancy in love with technology and sometimes >> hosting Clojure Meet ups with Stockholm Clojure User Group and wov, so much >> thing I really can help companies with everywhere, epic win >> >> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014, Quzanti <quz...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> Just looked at your profile. Sweden? A very enlightened place. I am a >>> big fan of the Paradox Interactive games. What happens in Sweden when >>> investors lose their money? >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:16:55 PM UTC+1, Henrik Eneroth wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> … as soon as anything goes wrong whether it has anything to do with >>>>> the technology choice or not you become mr fall guy, to be blamed and >>>>> fired >>>>> so that other people can keep their jobs. Seen it happen so many times. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Good lord, truly? Perhaps this is a good time to ask what culture OP >>>> lives in. 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