Asking questions about race and/or gender can be a very sensitive issue and a 
lot of people would refuse to complete those sections, or may even refuse to 
complete the survey at all if such questions were included - for a variety of 
very valid reasons.

Sean

On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:23 PM, Zack Maril <thewitzb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ClojureBridge and conj grants are excellent ways to encourage all types of 
> folks to join Clojure and I'm stoked that these programs have emerged from 
> the community. These are Good Things and should be continued and improved 
> upon wherever possible. I'd personally like to know how much good these 
> efforts do and tracking demographics of the Clojure community, whether it is 
> through the State of Clojure survey or other means, would allow us to measure 
> the distance between our ideals and reality. I'm proud of the attempts and 
> efforts undertaken to increase diversity within the community and, beyond the 
> specifics of this current conversation, I'm confident that Clojure will make 
> strides towards a more diverse user base. 
> 
> For the issue at hand, I believe that by including demographics within the 
> State of the Clojure survey the Clojure leadership would be making a strong 
> statement indicating their desire for a more desire community. The survey 
> measures that which has been deemed important to know and understand in terms 
> of the stewardship and development of Clojure. Including demographic 
> questions in the survey, along with the context of why they were included, 
> would indicate that there is a strong desire to understand and improve the 
> diversity of the community by those who lead the community. Inclusion of such 
> questions on the survey would be another opportunity for Clojure to be more 
> than just not unwelcoming to atypical folks and allow us to purposefully 
> invite more people to this relative paradise we inhabit. For a relatively 
> small effort* it would show atypical folks that we care to know that they 
> exist in the context of Clojure usage and that we are interested in 
> understanding and improving their situation. 
> -Zack
> 
> *If I've misgauged the difficultly of adding such questions to the survey, 
> please say so. My impression is that this would be straightforward 
> technologically and, by perhaps copying questions from similar surveys, 
> straightforward in terms of survey design. I don't mean to ask you to drop 
> everything and try to solve all the problems of sexism all at once but only 
> to do something which seems, from an outside perspective, fairly economical 
> with low costs and high benefits. 


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