+1 (although I maybe wouldn’t be so mocking in my tone ;-). Since when did software design by committee work; anyone remember J2EE? (and yes, that does deserve my mocking tone).
I have no idea about the details being discussed here/why people’s noses are out of joint, but I can think of as many success with a single overlord in place as there are failures caused by political infighting. > On 18 Jul 2015, at 16:44, Luc Prefontaine <lprefonta...@softaddicts.ca> wrote: > > Sure, indentation is what gets the code running on metal :)) > > Not ranting here, just my abs dying from the pain as I laugh :)) > > As for the contrib process, go have a look at Linux. You'll be happy that > Rich is cool by every meaning of the word. > > There's this misconception about open source that we should all wear flower > collars and sing Kumbaya. Mostly a 60's view of human collaboration. > > That ain't the way to get it done. > It works for ants and termites, they work as groups but we are human beings > with our strong individuality. > > Some form of central control is needed. Opposed by traction from some > individuals that would like to move faster or in other directions. > > This is ok but not at the expense of the cohesion of the end result. > > Hence this tensed balance. > > Rich created Clojure, he knows were he wants to go with it. Any ideas we > bring in the process is evaluated. However not all of them make sense or are > worth the effort to implement. > > Aside from our respective ego being hurt because our ideas are not retained > or our contribs vetted in the first pass there's little damage done. > > If it was not the case Clojure would have zero traction and Linux likewise. > Search for Linus rants about contributors and try to relate this with the > level of success of Linux. > > They are not so many open source projects that have the same stability from > release to release as Clojure or Linux. > > Control and absence of complacency are key factors to achieve this kind of > success. > > Luc P. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 18, 2015, at 07:13, Andrey Antukh <n...@niwi.nz <mailto:n...@niwi.nz>> > wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I have some, maybe controversial, questions... >> >> A little bit of context: https://twitter.com/aphyr/status/621806683908542464 >> <https://twitter.com/aphyr/status/621806683908542464> >> >> Why this is like a normal approach for managing third party contributions to >> clojure core? This kind of things the only discourages the contributions. >> Maybe I don't have more context about this concrete case, but seems is not a >> unique. >> And in general, I have the perception that the clojure development process >> is a little bit opaque... >> >> An other question: Why the great amount of clojure compiler code has no >> indentation style and bunch of commented code. >> >> It is indented like a freshman. Sorry, I don't want offend any one, but eyes >> hurt when reading the code compiler clojure (obviously I'm speaking about >> the look and feel, and no the quality of the code). >> >> Some examples: >> >> Indentation (or maybe no indentation): >> https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/36d665793b43f62cfd22354aced4c6892088abd6/src/jvm/clojure/lang/APersistentVector.java#L86 >> >> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/36d665793b43f62cfd22354aced4c6892088abd6/src/jvm/clojure/lang/APersistentVector.java#L86> >> >> Bunch of commented code and also no indentation: >> https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/src/jvm/clojure/lang/AMapEntry.java#L60 >> >> <https://github.com/clojure/clojure/blob/master/src/jvm/clojure/lang/AMapEntry.java#L60> >> >> If you compare some clojure compiler code with different code snippets from >> other languages, the indentation is clearly more cared: >> >> Kotlin: >> https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin/blob/master/core/descriptors/src/org/jetbrains/kotlin/types/AbstractClassTypeConstructor.java#L44 >> >> <https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin/blob/master/core/descriptors/src/org/jetbrains/kotlin/types/AbstractClassTypeConstructor.java#L44> >> Rust: >> https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/src/libstd/io/buffered.rs#L165 >> <https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/src/libstd/io/buffered.rs#L165> >> Ceylon: >> https://github.com/ceylon/ceylon-compiler/blob/master/src/com/redhat/ceylon/compiler/java/codegen/AttributeDefinitionBuilder.java#L233 >> >> <https://github.com/ceylon/ceylon-compiler/blob/master/src/com/redhat/ceylon/compiler/java/codegen/AttributeDefinitionBuilder.java#L233> >> >> This is a random list of code snippets from different compilers with >> indentation that is more human friendly. >> >> I don't intend judge any one, but when a I learn Clojure compiler I expect >> something different. I expect something more carefully done. >> >> No body thinks the same thing that me? >> >> I think that have a sane, more open contribution policy, with clear and more >> cared code formatting, is not very complicated thing and is going to favor >> the clojure and its community. >> >> Andrey >> -- >> Andrey Antukh - Андрей Антух - <n...@niwi.nz <mailto:n...@niwi.nz>> >> http://www.niwi.nz <http://www.niwi.nz/> >> https://github.com/niwinz <https://github.com/niwinz> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com> >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your >> first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> <http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > <http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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