Re: Hoplon adoption, we're brand new but I'd say we have a small, enthusiastic, and growing community. So far there haven't been any problems with mid/large-size applications, but then that's what we designed it for :-)
Alan On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 6:06:40 PM UTC-5, Frankie Sardo wrote: > Hi Alan, thanks for your thorough answer. I had a look at Javelin and Hoplon > and I see there are some very interesting ideas there. I'll be sure to try > them out and give you appropriate feedback. > > > > > How's the adoption rate so far, anybody else embracing this approach? What > are, if any, the major problems encountered up to this point in mid size > applications? > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Alan Dipert <al...@dipert.org> wrote: > > > > On Saturday, January 4, 2014 4:30:39 PM UTC-5, Frankie Sardo wrote: > > > Out of curiosity I started playing with Elm and the Functional Reactive > > principles. While still a young language and community, it gives you lot of > > food for your thoughts, and I like the idea of completely replacing > > html/css/javascript with one single language. It is particularly remarkable > > how basic tutorials and games are easy to implement with Elm with little to > > no setup compared to the tiresome process of setting up clojurescript. The > > clojure/clojurescript community is way more mature and the language itself > > would have no problems in doing something similar. Any particular reason > > why this has not been attempted or should be avoided? I'm not trying to be > > contentious, I'm honestly curious about your opinion. > > > > > > Hi Frankie, > > I have shared your interest in FRP and the general topic of dataflow, the end > result of which was the Javelin library [1] which may interest you. While > Javelin was motivated by production use of Flapjax from ClojureScript, we > chose with Javelin to eschew EventStreams in favor of the simpler and > generally more familiar spreadsheet metaphor. We also found along the way > that FRP falls out of dataflow modulo type inference, the marginal utility of > which - in our experience - fell completely away with EventStreams were gone. > What we really wanted was consistency - of which FRP Behaviors are the > foundation - and with Javelin, we had it. > > > > > > Like you I am also interested in the prospect of a single-language > "environment" with which to program in browsers. I am interested in this > because the browser environment is too comprehensive for a browser-agnostic > language to provide a means for modularity and reuse in and between these > kind of applications. Elm delivers this modularity by extending scoping > rules and other Elm language semantics to every corner of the browser > platform. > > > > > > Because the modularity and reuse facilities of ClojureScript don't pervade > the browser, and because CSS and HTML fragments are independently global > scopes without composition semantics, we recently released Hoplon [2]. > > > > > > Hoplon is our attempt to deliver an "environment", not unlike Elm, that > provides the primitives we've found necessary to build and maintain large > single-page applications, addressing the modularity problem that Elm also > does. > > > > > > Unlike Elm, Hoplon is not a language. It is a set of Clojure and > ClojureScript libraries that compose under a thin preprocessor. Also unlike > Elm, Hoplon and its constituent libraries were designed to cooperate with > existing HTML/JS/CSS libraries and to be a friendly environment for the > average frontend dev. > > > > > > In a nutshell, if you're into Elm you might just be into Hoplon :-) > > > > 1. https://github.com/tailrecursion/javelin > > 2. http://hoplon.io/ > > > > > > -- > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "ClojureScript" group. > > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/clojurescript/ueRyi982UE0/unsubscribe. > > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > clojurescrip...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to clojur...@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojurescript. -- Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ClojureScript" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojurescript+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to clojurescript@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojurescript.
