Landfall 38's are the answer. All you need is a big trailer and a mother of a truck!
Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2012-12-13, at 9:55, "Hoyt, Mike" <[email protected]> wrote: Pat This is a great "It's winter and I am daydreaming about sailing" topic. I like this topic because at one end is the Macgregor 26 that has tried to convince the world what compromises are necessary to have a trailerable pocket cruiser. Cant sail and cant motor ... At the other there are boats like Flying Tiger 10m, Andrews 28, Seaward 32 that show what a trailerable boat can be. It can be a cruiser, it can be 32 ft LOA, it can be blisteringly fast, it can be a combination of these. There is no reason why a sport boat cannot do everything and have a usable interior and be fast. Well actually there is one over riding reason. Cost. it would likely cost about 3 times as much to build this boat as the market would be willing to pay for one. But that is what lotteries are for. Win a big enough lottery and you can open your own boat yard and hire a design and manufacturing team, buy out C&C for the 200th time and build one. The next year you will of course have to sell the boat and work til you are 95 years old because it is a money losing business - but still .... From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat Nevitt Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Stus-List Fast 30 foot trailerable Chuck, The problem with the Corsair is that in a lot of the PHRF fleets you can't race a multi-hull. Mike, completely agree on the SW32. Life is too short to sail an ugly boat. Concur on the Annapolis 30, but where are you going to find one? Pat On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Chuck S <[email protected]> wrote: > Checkout the Corsair 31, a folding trimaran, or a Farrier F9. There is a > famous video on YouTube showing a Corsair 31 w three people aboard passing > Hugo Boss, an Open 60 crewed by over ten people and fully powered up. > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > From: "Mike Hoyt" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:34:49 AM > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 101 > > In some ways yes. I had seen that before. The SW32 has an interior, is > trailerable and has retracting keel. > > The downside is that from the exterior it is plain ugly. It looks slow and I > would probably rather chop my foot off than sail one. (appologies to all > those who have lost a foot). > > Google Annapolis 30 by Annapolis Performanec Yachts. Never quite got off the > ground but is the general idea > > Mike > > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:29 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 101 > > Sounds like the Seaward 32...? > > http://www.seawardyachts.com/32rk.html > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Hoyt, Mike" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 101 > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:08:36 -0400 > > Pat > > Yep - I think basically we agree on some things. > > I would like a boat that sails like a Farr 40 and has PHRF below 50 > Has an interior like a C&C 110 > Can be crewed by 4 persons > Is trailerable and ramp launchable > > OK - so that was my attempt at being funny. I do however like the 101 > design on its attempt to make a true racer cruiser - which is something we > seem to be seeing less of now than in the 70s and 80s. The 115 is very nice > with a good interior and good performance but needs large crew and larger > wallet > > The concept I have been daydreaming of though is based on all the good I have > seen in many different boats. > > - I use my boat in two different venues quite far apart (summer and fall). I > can trailer between the two > - In Winter and Spring my boat is beside my house so I can step of house deck > onto boat deck > > So the concept of a trailerable boat is nice - great for maintenance and much > better than driving 150KM each way to do chores > > - We tend to stay aboard in summer on Saturday nights from time to time. Our > boat is fine for sleeping since the bunks are long and we are on a finger > pier but at anchor the interior is too small. > > A slightly larger boat still trailerable would be nice. Thinking a 30 ft > boat under 6000 lb disp > > - Our boat is reasonably fast and very nimble. 27 ft with PHRF 126 > > Would not want a boat that feels sluggish - want to keep that nimble feeling > > - I spend time on other boats - like ones where there is decent head area and > a usable galley of sorts > > I can compromise a bit on this. Dont need an oven - but would like to stay > at anchor overnight in some comfort > > - I like hanging out on and in boats > > Need a boat where 6 or more people can comfortably lounge below decks and in > cockpit > > So there it is: - the requirements that were initially there for the Mega 30 > - but how about trying again in 2013???? > > Modern, fast, sportboat. Usable interior. retractable (not swing) keel with > torpedo bulb. Ramp launchable and easily trailerable. Usable interior. > Light weight and very fast and fun to sail with a smallish crew. no not a > Viper, Meges or any of those stripped out boats. Andrews 28 came very close > but is out of business and not quite there with looks or power - but very > close. > > Don't see any reason other than cost why this can not be done. If LOA is 30 > ft there is tons of room to accomplish all this ... > > now back to work > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat Nevitt > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 101 > > That Farr 30 would be a handful though and you would need an experienced crew > to race it to its potential. Lots of them for sale now though at decent > prices. I am in the same predicament as you. I am looking for the next boat > and not sure what compromises I want to make. I did much more day sailing > and racing on my 29-2 than cruising, so I think that is where my emphasis > will be. I kind of like the J92S for the light air we get on the Chesapeake. > Sill if C&C could sell enough of the 101's to get a one design fleet that > might be the ticket, but it didn't happen for the C&C 99 or the 115. They > started a one design fleet and it sort of fizzled. The 99's race PHRF in our > area but seem to struggle. I may just go to the lower end of the spectrum > and forget about cruising and get a new J70 for spirited one design racing. > There are 40 of them signed up for Key West and Annapolis has 27 in the > fleet already. > > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thanks Pat >> >> Sounds just like me. Not exactly a racer and not a cruiser ... >> >> I have been looking around for a boat that sails like a racer and has the >> amenities inside that can do limited cruising. Sort of like the old J30 >> concept. In my mind a Farr 30 has enough interior room that there could be >> some interior that is usable ... That sort of idea. the 101 strikes me as >> a nice compromise ... decent accomodations, quarterberths rather than aft >> cabin is great for crew, after a race crew can gather below, decent >> performance and a modern sprit design- and way better than the old designs >> has lots of on deck and cockpit room. .. and after all is said and done the >> owner could cruise for a week on it. >> >> A friend sold his Santana 35 and bought a 1D35. A comment he made a year >> later is that he misses hanging out on the boat after a race. Since there >> is no usable interior the crew basically takes off ... >> >> However is expensive and as you say not really a racer nor a cruiser so will >> be a tough sell ... >> >> Mike >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat Nevitt >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:13 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 101 >> >> I saw the boat at the Annapolis boat show and thought that it looked goofy. >> It is like they were trying to be too many things for different people. The >> doghouse forward just makes the boat sit funny when viewed from the forward >> quarter. The cockpit is big though because the cabin is forward, but that >> comes at the expense of some room down below. Not exactly a racer and >> not exactly a cruiser. I did think the fit and finish was nice, but it >> certainly isn't as aesthetically pleasing as older C&C designs in my humble >> opinion. >> >> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Hoyt, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Anyone here sailed on the new C&C 101 yet? >>> >>> Looks to be a nice design and as per C&C has combined quite a nice interior >>> with good performance. Nice to see is a fractional rig with sprit as well >>> ... >>> >>> Wondering what those who have sailed or toured the 101 thought of it. Is >>> high up on my list of boat sto buy after I win the lottery .... >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com [email protected]
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