Mike, Agree, this is fun and somewhat relevant to me. I just sold my C&C 29-2. Well, I think I did. It made it through survey fine and I fixed a few minor items for the buyer. We are supposed to exchange title for cash on Sunday. I also recently sold my Lotus Elise. I owned both outright and so I find myself in the position of cash in hand and wanting another boat rather than another car toy. In the end, all the boats are a compromise. The boat that you described previously would be ideal, but I haven't found that yet. I like the FT10 and the prices aren't bad - just look at the two for sale on SA, but I'm concerned about build quality. Andrews 28 is awfully nice but at the extreme end of my price point. What do you think about the Landing School 30 (LS 30)? Not the LS 10, Tartan 10 remake.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Hoyt, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Pat > > This is a great "It's winter and I am daydreaming about sailing" topic. > > I like this topic because at one end is the Macgregor 26 that has tried to > convince the world what compromises are necessary to have a trailerable > pocket cruiser. Cant sail and cant motor ... > > At the other there are boats like Flying Tiger 10m, Andrews 28, Seaward 32 > that show what a trailerable boat can be. It can be a cruiser, it can be > 32 ft LOA, it can be blisteringly fast, it can be a combination of these. > > There is no reason why a sport boat cannot do everything and have a usable > interior and be fast. > > Well actually there is one over riding reason. Cost. it would likely > cost about 3 times as much to build this boat as the market would be > willing to pay for one. But that is what lotteries are for. Win a big > enough lottery and you can open your own boat yard and hire a design and > manufacturing team, buy out C&C for the 200th time and build one. The next > year you will of course have to sell the boat and work til you are 95 years > old because it is a money losing business - but still .... > > ------------------------------ > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Pat > Nevitt > *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:44 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Fast 30 foot trailerable > > Chuck, > > The problem with the Corsair is that in a lot of the PHRF fleets you can't > race a multi-hull. Mike, completely agree on the SW32. Life is too short > to sail an ugly boat. Concur on the Annapolis 30, but where are you going > to find one? > > Pat > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Chuck S <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Checkout the Corsair 31, a folding trimaran, or a Farrier F9. There is >> a famous video on YouTube showing a Corsair 31 w three people aboard >> passing Hugo Boss, an Open 60 crewed by over ten people and fully powered >> up. >> >> Chuck >> Resolute >> 1990 C&C 34R >> Atlantic City, NJ >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Mike Hoyt" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:34:49 AM >> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List C&C 101 >> >> In some ways yes. I had seen that before. The SW32 has an interior, is >> trailerable and has retracting keel. >> >> The downside is that from the exterior it is plain ugly. It looks slow >> and I would probably rather chop my foot off than sail one. (appologies to >> all those who have lost a foot). >> >> Google Annapolis 30 by Annapolis Performanec Yachts. Never quite got off >> the ground but is the general idea >> >> Mike >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of * >> [email protected] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:29 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 101 >> >> Sounds like the Seaward 32...? >> >> http://www.seawardyachts.com/32rk.html >> >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: "Hoyt, Mike" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 101 >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:08:36 -0400 >> >> Pat >> >> Yep - I think basically we agree on some things. >> >> I would like a boat that sails like a Farr 40 and has PHRF below 50 >> Has an interior like a C&C 110 >> Can be crewed by 4 persons >> Is trailerable and ramp launchable >> >> OK - so that was my attempt at being funny. I do however like the 101 >> design on its attempt to make a true racer cruiser - which is something we >> seem to be seeing less of now than in the 70s and 80s. The 115 is very >> nice with a good interior and good performance but needs large crew and >> larger wallet >> >> The concept I have been daydreaming of though is based on all the good I >> have seen in many different boats. >> >> - I use my boat in two different venues quite far apart (summer and >> fall). I can trailer between the two >> - In Winter and Spring my boat is beside my house so I can step of house >> deck onto boat deck >> >> So the concept of a trailerable boat is nice - great for maintenance and >> much better than driving 150KM each way to do chores >> >> - We tend to stay aboard in summer on Saturday nights from time to time. >> Our boat is fine for sleeping since the bunks are long and we are on a >> finger pier but at anchor the interior is too small. >> >> A slightly larger boat still trailerable would be nice. Thinking a 30 ft >> boat under 6000 lb disp >> >> - Our boat is reasonably fast and very nimble. 27 ft with PHRF 126 >> >> Would not want a boat that feels sluggish - want to keep that nimble >> feeling >> >> - I spend time on other boats - like ones where there is decent head area >> and a usable galley of sorts >> >> I can compromise a bit on this. Dont need an oven - but would like to >> stay at anchor overnight in some comfort >> >> - I like hanging out on and in boats >> >> Need a boat where 6 or more people can comfortably lounge below decks and >> in cockpit >> >> So there it is: - the requirements that were initially there for the Mega >> 30 - but how about trying again in 2013???? >> >> Modern, fast, sportboat. Usable interior. retractable (not swing) keel >> with torpedo bulb. Ramp launchable and easily trailerable. Usable >> interior. Light weight and very fast and fun to sail with a smallish >> crew. no not a Viper, Meges or any of those stripped out boats. Andrews >> 28 came very close but is out of business and not quite there with looks or >> power - but very close. >> >> Don't see any reason other than cost why this can not be done. If LOA is >> 30 ft there is tons of room to accomplish all this ... >> >> now back to work >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Pat >> Nevitt >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:45 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 101 >> >> >> That Farr 30 would be a handful though and you would need an experienced >> crew to race it to its potential. Lots of them for sale now though at >> decent prices. I am in the same predicament as you. I am looking for the >> next boat and not sure what compromises I want to make. I did much more >> day sailing and racing on my 29-2 than cruising, so I think that is where >> my emphasis will be. I kind of like the J92S for the light air we get on >> the Chesapeake. Sill if C&C could sell enough of the 101's to get a one >> design fleet that might be the ticket, but it didn't happen for the C&C 99 >> or the 115. They started a one design fleet and it sort of fizzled. The >> 99's race PHRF in our area but seem to struggle. I may just go to the >> lower end of the spectrum and forget about cruising and get a new J70 for >> spirited one design racing. There are 40 of them signed up for Key West >> and Annapolis has 27 in the fleet already. >> >> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Thanks Pat >>> >>> Sounds just like me. Not exactly a racer and not a cruiser ... >>> >>> I have been looking around for a boat that sails like a racer and has >>> the amenities inside that can do limited cruising. Sort of like the old J30 >>> concept. In my mind a Farr 30 has enough interior room that there could be >>> some interior that is usable ... That sort of idea. the 101 strikes me as >>> a nice compromise ... decent accomodations, quarterberths rather than aft >>> cabin is great for crew, after a race crew can gather below, decent >>> performance and a modern sprit design- and way better than the old designs >>> has lots of on deck and cockpit room. .. and after all is said and done >>> the owner could cruise for a week on it. >>> >>> A friend sold his Santana 35 and bought a 1D35. A comment he made a >>> year later is that he misses hanging out on the boat after a race. Since >>> there is no usable interior the crew basically takes off ... >>> >>> However is expensive and as you say not really a racer nor a cruiser so >>> will be a tough sell ... >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Pat >>> Nevitt >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:13 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 101 >>> >>> I saw the boat at the Annapolis boat show and thought that it looked >>> goofy. It is like they were trying to be too many things for different >>> people. The doghouse forward just makes the boat sit funny when viewed >>> from the forward quarter. The cockpit is big though because the cabin is >>> forward, but that comes at the expense of some room down below. Not >>> exactly a racer and not exactly a cruiser. I did think the fit and finish >>> was nice, but it certainly isn't as aesthetically pleasing as older C&C >>> designs in my humble opinion. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Hoyt, Mike <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone here sailed on the new C&C 101 yet? >>>> >>>> Looks to be a nice design and as per C&C has combined quite a nice >>>> interior with good performance. Nice to see is a fractional rig with >>>> sprit as well ... >>>> >>>> Wondering what those who have sailed or toured the 101 thought of it. >>>> Is high up on my list of boat sto buy after I win the lottery .... >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> [email protected] >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > [email protected] > >
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