I agree with Rich. The fact it is light is great! It's not full of water. Joel
On Monday, November 11, 2013, Rich Knowles wrote: > Danny, your rudder looks quite normal to me. Seems to me that you have two > choices: tear it apart to see if there is damage inside or assume it's ok > and stop worrying. You might find someone who could X-ray it for you. > Personally, I'd lube the bejesus out of the shaft, clean the interior of > the tube, put it back together and go sailing. > > Rich > > > On Nov 11, 2013, at 17:54, "djhaug...@juno.com <javascript:;>" < > djhaug...@juno.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > Oops, I forgot the link to the folder... > > > > http://sdrv.ms/1bpnvZh > > > > Danny > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > From: "djhaug...@juno.com <javascript:;>" <djhaug...@juno.com<javascript:;> > > > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <javascript:;> > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing > > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 21:53:25 GMT > > > > Okay, > > > > I removed the rudder today. It does not weigh much at all, > > > > There are no bearings. It is just a fiberglass tube that fits tightly > around the 1-7/8" shaft. There were just 2 - 4"x1/4" nylon(?) washers > between the pin that holds the rudder in place and the aluminum flange > fitting in the cockpit. > > > > It really is just hung there. I couldn't help but to think that a SS > washer on top of the 2 nylon(?) washers would be a good idea. It was > apparent that these washers had been switched around a few times by the > marks from the pin on both sides of both nylon(?) washers. > > > > So my thoughts ar maybe to just re install it and add a big 'ol fender > washer for the pin to rest on. > > > > However, my only concern is what the stainless shaft looks like inside > the rudder... > > > > > https://korpoq.blu.livefilestore.com/y2pq2xBqhOTnVi8a3qjlKe3d3z5mZu4DLyvgdLO1n4y4kIAj-jz0KUR4EKzhrOKdm1UOBEIjnGtt3_lyaNLYnVRVciZi9tZT2-gzJtkcwoy1K8/20131111_132315.jpg > > > > In case that link doesn't work, here is a link to a folder with a bunch > of boat pics. The photos from today are all the way at the end. > > > > Thanks again for any insights, observations or ideas. > > > > Danny > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > From: Martin DeYoung <mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com <javascript:;>> > > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <javascript:;>" > > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<javascript:;> > > > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing > > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:54:01 +0000 > > > >> It doesn't weigh much. Not sure if that is good or bad. < > > > > Calypso's displacement is in the 24,000lb range. I have been told the > original Bruckmann built rudder was lost in the early 70's on the way to > Bermuda. The replacement rudder may be overbuilt but I do not worry it > will fail under any conditions we are likely to push Calypso into in the > near future. > > > > Much of the rig and steering related gear on the early Bruckmann built > 43's appears to be the same spec as what was used on the early 61's. The > lower rudder bearing assembly is cast bronze and bolts on from the outside. > Think 2' long and 1' wide, faired into the hull shape, penetrating 1' into > the hull with a machined load bearing collar/stuffing box assembly on top. > Frick'n massive, and heavy. > > > > Given that we mostly race Calypso these days and the propensity for > light air in the PNW a lighter rudder may not be bad. Having said that our > last day of racing saw steady winds in the mid 20's and gusts close to 30. > The rudder/steering gear work this summer was a comfort as we ducked a > starboard tacker with maybe a little too much mainsheet on. > > > > Martin > > Calypso > > 1971 C&C 43 > > Seattle > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <javascript:;>] On > Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe > > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 10:24 AM > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <javascript:;> > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing > > > > OTOH I can carry my rudder around myself. It doesn't weigh much. Not > sure if that is good or bad. > > > > Joe Della Barba > > Coquina > > C&C 35 MK I > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <javascript:;>] On > Behalf Of Martin DeYoung > > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:18 PM > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <javascript:;> > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing > > > >> I guess I should commandeer a couple people to help drop that rudder.< > > > > When dropping Calypso's rudder (large fiberglass over balsa with 3" dia. > SS heavy wall tube shaft) this summer we used 4 to 5 people. My guess is > it weighs 200 to 250 lbs. We were just barely able to clear the pavement > with the boat in its normal yard position. The backup plan was to spend > the $$ to have the travel lift raise Calypso to give us the extra clearance. > > > > We had cushioning material under the rudder in case it slipped from our > grip and set up blocks to stabilize it 1/2 way out to allow for > re-positioning of the muscle. > > > > Prior to this summer's rudder repair project I dreaded the need to drop > it out of the boat. Now that I have done it the project seems no worse > than any other yard project. The more difficult part was working in the > tight spaces around the quadrant. > > > > Do take pictures and measurements of how the steering gear is set up. I > should have taken much better measurements of the position of the quadrant > to avoid having to make a 3/8" adjustment to perfect the steering cable > alignment. > > > > Calypso's rudder bearing assemblies are much different than those > described for a Viking 33 but I did perform a complete inspection of the > shaft and the bearing surfaces looking for wear and corrosion. I made > detailed measurements of the rudder and shaft in case of future repairs. > > > > Martin > > Calypso > > 1971 C&C 43 > > Seattle > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com <javascript:;>] On > Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com <javascript:;> > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:22 PM > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <javascript:;> > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder bearing > > > > "what, it's the first hole I dug?" > > > > the 33 came with a tiller too. Mine was converted over to a wheel but, > the tiller fitting is still there. > > > > I guess I should commandeer a couple people to help drop that rudder. > > > > Danny > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <javascript:;> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com <javascript:;> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <javascript:;> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <javascript:;> > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <javascript:;> > -- Joel 301 541 8551
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