Agree with Dwight. Different PHRF Regions have different rules for white sails/spinnakers/poles, etc.
The last I looked, PHRF of the Chesapeake had the same rules an NE - no whisker (or spinnaker) poles longer than J without penalty. What I suggested earlier, for cruising (or racing if the rules permit), have the extra long whisker pole pushing the clew of the jib out to weather to allow you to go ddw - basically a big barn door with flat sails. Often faster than jibing downwind with your sails acting like sails (airflow). In moderate air (non planing), we find it often hard to keep up with a big boat going straight to the mark (with a J-legal pole) while we are blasting back and forth in our J-80, looking good and jibing well, but taking a much longer course. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: dwight To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Thanks Mike I am aware of that but it may not be the same rule in all PHRF jurisdictions.therefore I suggested to just get the proper spin pole(carbon fiber if you can afford it but even aluminium on a 32 foot boat is not too heavy to handle, attach at mast, use the pole uphaul to get the pole parallel to water with white sail and trim with sheet.easy and that way with the stronger pole you can pole the jib out to weather which I am willing to bet is faster DDW on a mast head rig than poling the clew out several feel beyond J on the leeward side. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: April 7, 2014 9:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 "The farther out you can project the clew the better" Precisely why some areas impose limits of J. In PHRFNS a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole are the same. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:00 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Neil, In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations. The regulation is 1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than "LP" without penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum permitted length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a competitor declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6 credit may be claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J length pole, +3 credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the declared LP is less than 120% with a J length pole. There is no "penalty" for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less then LP. As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib. Best, Eric 34/36+ ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft!" Russ Cargill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote: J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty. In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 155. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles-&-Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a C&C 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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