Hi Joe, i watched the water come in through the small cracks in the bilge sump. I have a dripless shaft seal and everything else looks dry, however I do get water from the mast but I vacuumed that out when I cleaned the bilge. Hopefully the thru-hulls are OK so far so good. Cheers, Bill
> On Nov 26, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > If it rains I get MORE than ½ cup per day. I suspect you have cracks in the > interior gelcoat and water getting in around the keel bolts, rain, stuffing > box leakage, and other random sources of water. Tightening the keel bolts > next time the boat is out of the water is easy enough. If you actually have a > crack THROUGH the hull in the keel sump area, this is a pretty major issue. I > am guessing you do not. > > Joe Della Barba > Coquina > C&C 35 MK I > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight > veinot via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:13 AM > To: Bill Hoyne; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts > > Bill > > 1/2 cup per day is not really much water ingress...on my 35MKII water does > come down the mast when it rains and accumulates under the mast step...it can > move slowly show into the bilge...are you certain that is not the source of > the 1/2 cup per day...If you have an issue with water getting in from below > it should show up when the boat is on the hard...fill the bilge with water > and it should leak out and maybe let you know where the source of the leak > is...grind that area out both sides at the keel hull joint and dry > well...then squeeze in some polyurethane sealant , let that cure well...cover > with epoxy putty and finally with resin soaked chopped strand glass > matt...what you describe does not sound that serious to me so I don't think > you would need to do a major repair...but if you have the extra cash separate > the keel afrom the hull and do like Wally did on his Landfall 38...that job > was probably better than when it came from the factory > > Dwight Veinot > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > d.ve...@bellaliant.net <mailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net> > > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > I did shop-vac the bilge and wipe it dry. The water influx was slow - about > 1/2 cup per day at most. But that was at the dock, sailing hard the influx > might be more, i will check when I go out next. I think there has been some > contact between the keel ad something hard in its past life but not too sure > how hard and what repairs were done. The cracks are not in the keel structure > as it is very strong but in the sump area between the bolts. I doubt the > cracks extend directly to the outside hull. The leaks are probably from the > C&C smile to the hull-keel interface. > > I am bobing about on a 750'x137’ drillship watching a cold front pass by - we > are getting 30knt sustained outside, sea’s don’t look too bad from 80’ up - > maybe 10-14’. check out: > http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA > > <http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:464725/imo:9609392/mmsi:373287000/vessel:WEST%20AURIGA> > > Bill Hoyne > Mithrandir > ’74 C&C35 MkII > in Victoria,BC > > > > > On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Bob Bingham via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > > Currently working on C&C 34 with the famous keel smile. > Previously repaired by boat shop a few years back and has returned. > After haul out I cleaned out seem filled with 4200 ,torque bolts to 300 ft. > lbs and then covered with 2 layer matt , 2 layers cloth another matt and > final layer of cloth using West System. Each layer was a bit wider starting > at 1 in.and ending around 5 in..Inter protect in spring as weather is now > going downhill. > Will know if it works after haul out next year. > Minimal cost so worth the try. > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:00 PM, <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: keel bolts (mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net > <mailto:mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net>) > 2. Re: keel bolts (Della Barba, Joe) > 3. Re: Using 12v trickle charger to test components? > (Marek Dziedzic) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:12:03 +0000 > From: mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net <mailto:mcrom...@bell.blackberry.net> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts > Message-ID: > > <134239895-1416841932-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1701521359-@b3.c5.bise6.blackberry > > <mailto:134239895-1416841932-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1701521359-@b3.c5.bise6.blackberry>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I have to agree. I had a small leak in my bilge two summers ago that > strangely enough didn't go away by itself and got worse this past summer. The > PO had told me about a hard grounding. > > I got it surveyed this fall after haul-out by a surveyor with lots of C&C > experience. Turns out I have hidden grounding damage. I re-launched on > Friday and sailed over to Bristol Marine in Port Credit on Sunday. Will be $$. > > At least I had a great sail yesterday...I had all Lake Ontario to myself. > > Mike > Atacama CnC 33 > Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network. > Envoy? sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le r?seau de Bell. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:32:40 +0000 > From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov > <mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List keel bolts > Message-ID: > <650fe5515a854a538cf20c0410063...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov > <mailto:650fe5515a854a538cf20c0410063...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes - having cracks through the bottom of the boat is not a trivial thing to > fix. A friends boat had an issue like this that was repaired in a quickie > put-epoxy-on-it manner and it opened up while he was out. That trip was not > fun :( > His crack was above the keel, so we could get at it with the keel on. We > ground it out and added layers of glass and epoxy outside and then did the > same on the inside. I can't say it is perfect, but it is about 500 times > stronger than the last "repair". Also you might want to make SURE that is > where the water coming from. I would shop vac and towel dry the bilge and > watch it very carefully. The 35 MK I and II keel structure is pretty strong > and I would say cracks through the boat aren't common. > > Joe Della Barba > Coquina > C&C 35 MK I > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via > CnC-List > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:00 AM > To: Jim Watts; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>; Bill > Hoyne > Subject: Stus-List keel bolts > > Bill: > > I would tend to agree with Jim Watts.....have someone knowledgeable inspect > your boat. It is not normal to have cracks in the sump that are leaking > water. > > I would not simply cover up the cracks without knowing how significant they > are. > > Did your boat experience a 'hard grounding'? > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > On 2014/11/23 12:57 AM, Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote: > Sounds like a pro job to me. I would talk to Blackline and get their opinion. > > Jim Watts > Paradigm Shift > C&C 35 Mk III > Victoria, BC > > On 22 November 2014 at 12:02, Bill Hoyne via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com><mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>> wrote: > I blasted out to Victoria to escape the frigid Alberta cold for a week or so. > So I thought a little biking and messing around in the bilge would be fun. > The water in the bilge was a bit salty and the mild steel plates below the > keel bolts were badly corroded so I replaced some of the plates with some > 3/8" 316SS. I cleaned out the bilge and watched. When I removed the bolts, > one at a time :-) there was no seepage around the bolts - a good sign I > think. However there are some cracks in the sump area between the keel bolts > and these are seeping water at about 100ml/day. I didn't go out for a sail so > assume there would be more water ingress when the keel is under some stress. > Is there some way to seal these cracks without dropping the keel? What is the > thickness from the bottom of the bilge to the top of the keel stub? Can I > just pour some epoxy in the the sump area? > > Thanks!! > > Bill Hoyne > Mithrandir > '74 C&C35 MkII > in Victoria,BC > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141124/77cb6be1/attachment-0001.html > > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141124/77cb6be1/attachment-0001.html>> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:28:08 -1000 > From: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com <mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com>> > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Using 12v trickle charger to test components? > Message-ID: <blu406-eas36867c5303dc6280ddf2c25ce...@phx.gbl > <mailto:blu406-eas36867c5303dc6280ddf2c25ce...@phx.gbl>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141123/760e27b9/attachment-0001.html > > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141123/760e27b9/attachment-0001.html>> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com> > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 106, Issue 66 > ***************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com> > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com> > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > <http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com>
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