if you keep the paper on the acrylic, the suction will be lost quite fast. Leslie. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 2/17/15, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Stus-List Portlight Replacement with VHB Tape & Dow 795 To: "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com, rph2m...@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 9:08 PM When I do this project I plan on using a glass suction cup or likely two from the inside and tie them off somewhere under load. In my opinion using these in tension while provide a much more even and stronger load across the portlights, keeping them in place while they cure. I prefer to keep my stantions for what they were intended, keeping the lifelines in place for an emergency. This: http://m.grainger.com/mobile/product/FAST-CAP-Suction-Cup-Lifter-3KNF1 or similar product as was already mentioned. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 8:40 PM Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Robert, Thanks for further input. My plan is to follow the same idea. I like your keyhole idea to locate the window effectively. One question - did you tape the window in place and then add the 795 into the gap? Or did you put some 795 on the back of the acrylic (or the cabin side)? I feel like I'd like to get more 795 in begins the acrylic - but maybe the point is that the tape provides the holding power and the 795 is just waterproofing sealant. Mark On February 17, 2015 2:22:57 PM AST, "Robert H. via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I am writing to update on my portlight replacement project. The installation went perfectly and the portlight looks great. Applying a few wood blocks to the inside of the portlight with removable, double-sided poster tape was a very effective way to affix the portlight in proper alignment. It slid into position like a puzzle piece, which is good because you only get one crack at it with the VHB tape. I also have a very good feeling about the VHB / DC 795 method - though time will be the ultimate judge. I am comforted by the thought that the tape and DC 795 will allow the portlight to expand and contract with heat and cold at a different rate that the cabin top without breaking the bond (in theory, anyway). For those that are thinking of using the same technique, here’s one final tip and a few comments. The tip: I had good success using a couple of telescoping hiking poles to apply pressure to the portlight by bracing them against the lifelines while the VHB tape set up. I also used a heat gun to warm up the cabin top before applying the portlight. I have no leaks in any of the other portlights (yet), so I’m going to wait until the weather warms up before I start on them. I learned that the initial bond of the VHB tape is dependent on both the application of continuous pressure and the ambient temperature. The 3M data sheet does a better job of explaining this than I will. Once you have a solid bond, it will hold well even in cold conditions, but you will be doing yourself a favour if you wait for warmer conditions. Sent from Windows Mail From: RPH via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com I have been reading the recent posts about windows and I thought that some might be interested to hear of my experience replacing the portlights on my 1989 30 MKII. Please note that I just started the on-boat part of the project yesterday and the work is not yet complete. In late fall I made tracings of the portlights which I transfered to 1/2 inch ply. The templates were cut using a circular saw with a guide rail system and a router. I then took my templates to a local plastics manufacturer, and they made the portlights from 1/4 inch plexiglass (Bronze 2404). The edges of the portlights are bevelled at 22.5 degrees (if I remember correctly). They turned out to be very good reproductions of the factory portlights. To ready myself for the project, I also purchased 36 yards of 3M VHB 4991 Tape 1/2" x 2.3mm, 4 tubes of Dow 795 structural adhesive (I chose white over black), and a can of DEI 010301 Black High-Temperature Silicone Coating exhaust paint. Yesterday, I attended at the boat with a view to replacing only the aft, starboard portlight (because I didn't want to bite off more than I could chew). I knew that the factory portlights were glued on with a methacrylate adhesive and that they would be difficult to remove. I brought my Dremel Multimax (which is like a Fein Multimaster) and tried using a flexible scraper to get between the plexi and the cabin top. This was not effective. In the end, I used several small putty knives which easily removed the portlight. What the putty knives did not remove was the remnants of the methacrylate adhesive. I tried several different techniques to remove the adhesive but ultimately decided that the better course would be to fair the area with 3m Premium Marine Filler. After sanding the fairing compound, I held the new portlight in place while my wife traced the window opening from inside the cabin onto the protective paper film. Then I used an Exacto knife to cut the paper along the tracing and removed the paper surrounding the window opening. Next, I spray painted the inside of the portlight black with the DEI paint so that the tape and Dow 795 will not be visible against the cabin top. I experimented with small pieces of the VHB tape and was surpised to see that it did not seem to stick too well to the cabin top even after the surface was carefully cleaned with alcohol. I decided that the fairing compound should be left to cure overnight and I will try again today. In any event, I have since read that the VHB tape needs time to reach maximum adhesion, and that it will adhere more quickly when the temperature is warmer. I'll bring a heat gun today to warm up the cabin top before applying the portlight. Anyway, if all goes well, the plan is to first affix the VHB tape to the inside of the portlight. Then, with the portlight dry-fitted in place, I will affix a few wooden blocks to the inside of the portlight (through the cabin top window opening) using double sided poster tape. My hope is that I can then remove the protective film from the other side of the VHB tape and then fit the portlight into place like a "key" into a keyhole. After the tape is set, I will then fill the gap around the outside with the Dow 795. That's the plan, anyway. Robert H. 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