Steve, I’m surprised Edson would not sell you the idler less sheaves (but with the uprights installed, which is the tricky part and requires the use of a press and special rivets) but I haven’t worked there for several years and it is possible they’ve had a “policy” change. In my tenure at Edson, we couldn’t sell just the steel or aluminum plate with no uprights, but could sell the steel plate idler assembly minus the sheaves, a handy alternative when the only flaw in the assembly was a rusty, corroded mild steel plate. There’s not much you can screw up installing the sheaves on the uprights… two cotter pins and you’re done. Plus you get the new stainless steel axles to replace the bronze pins, which is a common wear item.
Even with a Port Supply account, I would compare price on the chain/wire assembly with Defender Industries as they tend to be more aggressive with their retail pricing structure. Chuck Gilchrest Half Magic 1975 25 Mk 1 S/V Orion 1983 35 Landfall Padanaram, MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of S Thomas via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 1:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: S Thomas <sthom...@bellnet.ca> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C Nameplate - Now printing dwg file problem Chuck, I called Edson, and while the rep (Gene?) I talked to was quite pleasant to talk to, in the end he was no help at all. They have a steel plate, but they refuse to sell it or any other naked plate to me. Change in policy he said. Fear of insurance companies, or Edson's reputation if a customer install should fail, was the reasoning he thought, but he said it was not his decision. Edson will only sell complete assemblies, and only at their suggested retail. Frustrating!!! Also they have new 2016 prices. He strongly recommends and wants to sell me a new chain and cable for US$ 271.00, but he did confirm that they do use Port Supply as a distributor, which is good for me because I know someone who has a wholesale number. Anyway, thanks for trying to help. Best, Steve Thomas C&C36 MKI C&C27 MKIII ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <mailto:csgilchr...@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 10:35 Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C Nameplate - Now printing dwg file problem Steve, Just 2 cents from a former Edsonite (10+ years). When replacing the Idler plate and uprights on a “vintage” crossed wire idler, the original plates were made of painted mild steel with bronze sheave uprights, using a pressed- in oversize pop rivets holding the uprights to the plate, thus allowing sheave assemblies to pivot and lock in place using a locking bolt/ nut and a groove cut in the plate to let the upright swing through an arc for proper alignment. The placement of the pivot holes (which also are the holes the cable pass through) is critical relative to the sprocket inside the pedestal to allow the chain to cross inside the pedestal without rubbing on itself. The new cross wire idler assemblies are now made of cast aluminum with stainless uprights but have the same physical dimensions with one exception- thickness of the plate, which can affect the cable alignment especially if your radial wheel is close by to the idler. Edson does sell this Idler plate without sheaves, but the uprights are pre-installed at the factory. I’d call the factory 508-995-9711 and ask for pricing for a 774AL-4AL less sheaves. They may even have a few mild steel plates banging around the building as well. Unless you’re buying a new idler assembly, you’ll need to have a means of pressing the idler uprights onto a new plate in such a fashion that the upright will pivot to assure proper alignment with the radial wheel on the rudder shaft. In the event you make your own plate, make sure to change out the bronze sheave pins with stainless pins and check the sheave bushing/pin runout to make sure the sheaves are reusable. I would advise not making an aluminum plate if you plan to re-use the bronze (pot metal) uprights for obvious reasons. This is also a really good time to replace your chain and wire cables since everything will be apart. While this doesn’t necessarily help with the CAD issue, it may shed some light on the reason for the cost of the part, considering the engineering to make it work right out of the box. Best, Chuck Gilchrest Half Magic 1975 25 Mk 1 Orion 1983 35 Landfall Padanaram MA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 10:01 AM To: C&C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com <mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C Nameplate - Now printing dwg file problem Building off of Bill's comments, most "good" machine shops will take your file without any hesitation. If you find one that will then try my guy at: Harry "HL" Langley marsurl...@comcast.net <mailto:marsurl...@comcast.net> (410) 326-2001 Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Jan 4, 2016 4:41 AM, "S Thomas via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: To any lister with AutoCAD experience: The plate holding the cable idler sheaves that bolts to the bottom of the Edson steering pedestal on my recent C&C36 purchase has almost completely disintegrated. I downloaded a .dwg drawing of the assembly from the Edson web page and installed a version of Autodesk Trueview (2014) that is compatible with XP, but I cannot get it to print (plot) anything other than an empty rectangle. I have been poking at it quite a bit and got exactly nowhere. I have no experience with AutoCAD, and find the user interface tools less than intuitive. About like my first experience with vi in Unix, only less productive. Any fiddling with layer colours, and the layout tab disappears completely. Is there a simple way to print from either the model or the layout tabs in the file as downloaded? All I have been able to get in the print preview is a line rectangle the outlines the page, and sure enough, that is all that prints. The help files have not been helpful in printing, but at least I can pan, zoom, and take measurements between points. Edson lists a price for the entire assembly, but the sheaves appear to be ok, and the Edson price (US$ 360) is pretty high for what I think that I actually need. I would rather just make a mounting plate if I can't purchase one for a reasonable price. Steve Thomas C&C36 MKI Merritt Island, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Russell via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: C <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> &C List Cc: Gary Russell <mailto:captnga...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 22:56 Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C Nameplate Dennis, Interesting idea. The file is the problem, however. Gary ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _____ _______________________________________________ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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