Oh yeah. Couple things out of true there :) Fortunately my bulkhead and mast step do not look like that.
Cheers, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fell" <prf...@gmail.com> To: "randy stafford" <randy.staff...@comcast.net>, "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:31:07 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Timbers Beneath Mast Step Here’s a couple pictures of the one we looked at. The port-side bulkhead shot is a deceiving photo – you don’t get the full effect. But although I said 1-inch before ... looking at the survey it was measured at 3/4-inch. You can also see how the mast step block was shifted, in the other photo. I should point out as well this boat had evidence of re-tabbing of the forward bulkheads in several areas both port and starboard. Perhaps another issue was they didn’t get things lined-up properly when they did it ... why they did it I don’t exactly know. I did discover the boat had been transported from Vancouver BC to Yellowknife, NT and (of course) back again. There’s a large chunk of that road that isn’t even paved. Draw your own conclusions! ... now someone’s going to look at those photos and say ‘Hey, wait a minute ... I bought that boat!’ Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet C&C 27 MkIII From: randy.staff...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:54 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Fell, Peter Subject: Re: Stus-List Timbers Beneath Mast Step Thanks Peter. I looked again tonight at the "gap" between bulkhead and floor pan on my boat. There's actually no gap, except at the lower inboard corners of the bulkhead where the door to the head is cut out of the bulkhead. In those corners there's a gap about a half-inch high and a half inch wide, on both sides. Just enough for the edge of a 2'x4' oval throw rug in the head / v-berth to squeeze under. Other than that the bulkhead butts up nicely to the floor pan, hull, deck, cabin top etc. all the way around. Everything is symmetric and looks undamaged. Cheers, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fell via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Peter Fell" <prf...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 5:44:45 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Timbers Beneath Mast Step Forgot to include the list in the ‘to’ From: Peter Fell Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 4:43 PM To: randy.staff...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Stus-List Timbers Beneath Mast Step That was about 4 years ago and I don’t recall all the fine details of all the discussions I had on the subject. There’s probably some stuff in the archives on it. If I recall correctly the gap was large on the port side and pretty-much non-existent on the starboard side and the mast step (or the pan) was canted off-level. The survey we had done suggested that the rig be de-tensioned to see if the bulkhead came back down. But the surveyor I must admit seemed somewhat baffled by it all. In the end we didn’t de-tension the rig as things started to degrade once the owner, through the broker, had me talk to a ‘C&C expert’ who swore up and down that C&C NEVER used untreated / unsealed plywood in the mast steps of 30-1’s. I think the were multiple things happening here .... as I said, a mast step well on its way to collapsing, cabin sole pan in that area warping, rig tension and I also suspect that the mast brackets and/or the mast through-holes they were attached to were stretched-out, causing the cabin-top to pull-up under halyard tension at the turning blocks. There were some other less-than-forthcoming responses from the owner and in the end we decided to walk on the deal. So I’m assuming here you still have a gap with the mast out of the boat and I’m also assuming the boat is on the hard at this time and that bulkhead is being used for the support pads? Given there is a gap there, things have moved. Might be hard to line everything back up unless the boat was in the water but I would also think there’d be some ‘memory’ involved there as well. But I would suspect a 1/2-inch gap is probably in the ‘monitor it’ range. Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet C&C 27 MkIII From: randy.staff...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 2:57 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Peter Fell Subject: Re: Stus-List Timbers Beneath Mast Step Thanks Peter. Does a gap between the bulkhead and cabin sole pan necessarily represent a problem? On my boat there's a gap of < 1/2" on each side. There's also some creaking noise from the sole pan in the head / V-berth area when I walk on it which makes me think the fiberglass of the sole pan has broken down some. But according to Don Casey's inspection procedures and advice (plus a professional survey), the hull is in good shape, and the boat is 44 years old... Thanks, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fell via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Peter Fell" <prf...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:44:27 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Timbers Beneath Mast Step Check the whole area of the bulkhead. We had a 30-1 surveyed that turned out to have a sinking mast step and also potentially other issues so that the bulkhead had pulled up out of the cabin sole pan (or the pan had dropped / distorted) by about 1-inch on the port side and to a lesser extend on the starboard. Probably a combination of mast step, mast brackets, shroud tension (and possibly a couple long-distance overland moves that the boat had undertaken). The yard quoted well over $7000 to fix. There is some info / pics of solutions applied to the mast step on the cncphotoalbum site under do-it-yourself .... for a much more cost-effective fix. 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