Patrick, try turning the nut the other direction. Keep going back and forth 
wit it. Also try Kroil penetrant. It is what we use on stuck bolts on the 
airplanes. Also look into the set screw holes and make sure there is not a pin, 
don't think there is, but... Don't worry about applying to much torque. Those 
threads will withstand alot. Good luck. 
    Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.    




------ Original message------From: Patrick Davin via CnC-List Date: Tue, Apr 
19, 2016 20:46To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Patrick Davin;Subject:Stus-List 
Rudder collar "donut" removal
I have my boat hauled out now and am trying to drop the rudder. 
The stainless steel donut that holds the rudder up, above the thrust bearing in 
the cockpit, is very much stuck. I removed the two set screws and am attempting 
to unscrew (counterclockwise), with the rudder propped up (enough that that 
delrin bearing under the donut is free spinning). 
This is the donut pictured on Wally's page: 
http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/steering/bearing/sole/bs02.jpg
http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/steering/bearing/sole/

He got it off with just an oil filter wrench + exhaust hose on past occasions, 
and later with that strap wrench.  I've already applied far more force than a 
strap wrench with no luck. :(
I had planned to have the yard (Seaview) help with this, but apparently they 
have plenty of fiberglass guys but not enough mechanical guys, and are 
backlogged on anything mechanical. So if I want this to go faster I can keep 
trying to do it myself. And saving money by not having them bang away at it for 
$105/hour is probably good anyway. Though honestly I would happily do that now 
if they could get it loose. 

I know Frank of S/V Cool Change had a bear of a time with the set screws: 
http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2007-March/009523.html   
(but I guess the donut wasn't a problem?)
And I know another owner who used a huge pipe wrench with some padding, and 
yard assistance, but ended up damaging it and needing to get a new one. 
Things I've tried: - PB Blaster, every day for 4-5 days, around the top, into 
the set screw holes, and around the bottom.- Loctite Freeze + Release- oil 
filter wrench with rubber pieces to grip- threading a bolt into the set screw 
holes and hammering on that - quickly abandoned this because it started to bend 
the screws and I realized it would strip the set screw holes. - C clamps- Heat 
gun (I don't have a torch - however I don't think heat will be very successful 
because the mated parts are both stainless steel)- Large hose clamp tightened 
around my rubber gripper ring and hammering on the hose clamp screw. I really 
thought this was the genius idea that would finally work. Nothing budged, even 
with heavy pounding. But the hose clamp does the best job of pressing my rubber 
gripper onto the donut and had no slippage. 
Is there anything I'm missing? Has anyone else had this hard a time getting the 
donut off, or found anything else that worked? 
The Edson radial drive bolts are also seized, but I have some more things to 
try there still, and as last resort it can be cut off and order a new one 
($500). 
If I can get the rudder out I might also consider changing the stuffing box, 
because that is also seized (looks original and probably hasn't been adjusted 
in 5 years). 
-Patrick1984 C&C Landfall 38Violet Hour, Seattle, WA


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