When I bought Pegathy, I bought the cheapest Garmin chartplotter. Once you've sailed with a chartplotter, you never want to be without. I also have Marine Navigator on my smartphone and both the Garmin app (accesses the Active Captain data base, a pretty useful piece) and Open GL navigator, both on the boat laptop. The next year, I bought the Garmin 10 and mast top and depth finder package and added them - same manufacturer, no problem. Changing settings is a non-issue, along with updates. The Garmin products work. There are many things about them I'm not particularly fond of - one is that the operation is NOT intuitive - but they work. The only thing that's failed is the depth transducer - an AirMar.
Two years later I bought a Lowrance VHF with AIS on NMEA 2000. The Lowrance needs the gps signal from the chartplotter. The original wouldn't read the network. Nor would the second. But, they sent a third, and it just plugged in and worked, sending AIS target locations to the chartplotter - a wonderful thing when sailing at night on the Chesapeake. So, at least some interoperability in the NMEA 2000 world works. When I replace Walter, my Autohelm 3000, I'll likely go Garmin so I can be sure it will work. I will do my damndest to ensure that the Garmin Autohelm will talk to a tablet. I don't know what I'll do if it won't. Probably find another brand that will. I expect that when the Garmin chartplotter goes, or I decide I really, really need a bigger screen, I'll go with a tablet mounted at the helm. I expect that by that time the standard will work well across all sensors - including driver updates. Dem's my 2 cents. Dan SheerPegathy, LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco From: "cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:49 AM Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 128, Issue 86 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and (Dave S) 2. Re: Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot business (Dreuge) 3. Re: Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and (David) 4. Re: Repainting Waterline Stripe... (Dave Godwin) 5. Re: Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot business! (RANDY) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:17:18 -0400 From: Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com> To: "C&c Stus List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and Message-ID: <cad7ywjmsvgkvbehvzqdprlbdq9bjyfwneg2ekcehscvsdkr...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Pete - patience man, I'm a 53 year old luddite! The realization of how all this "fits" is just dawning on me, and many of the writings I have read on the subject are now making much more sense. Thanks for the Garmin info, they too have an n2k updater it seems. They don't promote these aggressively , but at least they are available. For the record, the raymarine guys I was connected with were really helpful, but the situation is what it is. Also for the record, I have zero brand loyalty/axe to grind for/with anyone. Had I known then what I know now, I'd have (dispassionately) chosen another brand.(s) I do think it is something important to consider when weighting options today. Dave PDate: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 12:58:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Pete Shelquist <pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot business! Message-ID: <AB669CE7FAF85C4C.94AEB411-F666-4D3B-942E-F526F20DBBD4@ mail.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" You raymarine guys kill me. ?Defend it to the end and drag others down when it's obvious that Ray falls short. I've been saying it for years: friends don't let friends buy raymarine.? Dave/others; Per Garmin FAQ, Here's the solution if/when you decide to leave the raymarine dark side : "The easiest way to update the device is to purchase a NMEA 2000 Network Updater and attach it to the NMEA 2000 network that the device is connected to. The updater will add an SD card slot to the NMEA 2000 network which will allow and update to be sent to the device. A blank SD card with at least 300MB up to 2GB of space is also required. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160920/c6b7555c/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:28:06 -0400 From: Dreuge <dre...@gmail.com> To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot business Message-ID: <4dc89991-cb22-4e73-9d84-9d31e4281...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Raymarine is not so bad. When the day comes that you buy a device, which is not from Raymarine, but you are required to use a Raymarine MFD to upgrade the software or even use the device, then you?ll feel like a Mac(or Linux) user. As a non-Microsoft software user, I feel your pain. But after many years to navigating my C&C 29 via laptop(my dell hackintosh), iPad, and then iPhone, I finally purchased a Raymarine e7D chart plotter for my LF38, and I have to say, I like the kool-aid so far. - Paul E. 1981 C&C 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160920/763eb5e7/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:29:36 -0400 From: David <davidrisc...@msn.com> To: CNC CNC <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and Message-ID: <blu174-w46de780b442318d0a4bd53da...@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So bottom line for those who do not want to spend too much time thinking on this... Stick with one manufacturer throughout whether upgrading or buying anew. Limiting but given the scope and decent reliability of product of the leading players not so bad? (Raymarine by default and still happy) David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:17:18 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: syerd...@gmail.com Pete - patience man, I'm a 53 year old luddite! The realization of how all this "fits" is just dawning on me, and many of the writings I have read on the subject are now making much more sense. Thanks for the Garmin info, they too have an n2k updater it seems. They don't promote these aggressively , but at least they are available. For the record, the raymarine guys I was connected with were really helpful, but the situation is what it is. Also for the record, I have zero brand loyalty/axe to grind for/with anyone. Had I known then what I know now, I'd have (dispassionately) chosen another brand.(s) I do think it is something important to consider when weighting options today. Dave PDate: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 12:58:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Pete Shelquist <pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot business! Message-ID: <ab669ce7faf85c4c.94aeb411-f666-4d3b-942e-f526f20db...@mail.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" You raymarine guys kill me. ?Defend it to the end and drag others down when it's obvious that Ray falls short. I've been saying it for years: friends don't let friends buy raymarine.? Dave/others; Per Garmin FAQ, Here's the solution if/when you decide to leave the raymarine dark side : "The easiest way to update the device is to purchase a NMEA 2000 Network Updater and attach it to the NMEA 2000 network that the device is connected to. The updater will add an SD card slot to the NMEA 2000 network which will allow and update to be sent to the device. A blank SD card with at least 300MB up to 2GB of space is also required. _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160920/7ec61b9b/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 10:45:22 -0400 From: Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Repainting Waterline Stripe... Message-ID: <736deb36-33b4-4091-9b5d-e99c2e66e...@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" David, I?d spend the few extra bucks and get a good 3M tape. I just did some Awlcraft painting for gloss and non-skid on my hatches and I used the Awlgrip (and my painter) recommended 3M 218 Fine Line tape for masking the gloss vs. non-skid prior to spraying. I?ll be masking off the entire deck sometime this week or next and I find the 218 properties to be easy to use. Electrical tape is a bit stretchy and I?m not fond of the glue used. Don?t know what your setup with the boat in the yard is but a good way to mark the waterline and boot stripes is with a laser. Boat?s gotta be level fore-and-aft and side-to-side. Best, Dave Godwin 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin?s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> > On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > David, > > I would check with the manufacturer to see what you can use over AwlGrip. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:59 AM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > Neil, > > You are the man...as my next question was how to follow the extreme curvature > under the stern (waterline and curves widens radically to maintain visual > width when hull tucks under). > > This is my solution. > > Thanks! > > David F. Risch > (401) 419-4650 <tel:%28401%29%20419-4650> (cell) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1379384789.1169905.1474382912763.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mike I would feel the same way (about having an iPad floating around the cockpit) if I was critically dependent on the device for navigation while sailing on bigger waters than my little lake :) I'm sure there are solutions for waterproof-encasing an iPad and mounting it firmly in the cockpit etc. But you'd still have to keep it charged if sailing for long time periods, and what if a solar-powered bluetooth-enabled instrument failed and could no longer transmit, etc. I generally aspire to coastal cruising, and when I do that I will want proven ruggedized instrumentation. But for racing Grenadine around Chatfield Reservoir, the SailTimer products were very fitting - affordable and intriguing. Cheers, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike via CnC-List Hoyt" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Mike Hoyt" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:11:21 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot business! Pete Have used ST60 speed/depth/wind on the last number of boats that we sailed on extensively. Robust instruments and easy to use. Only issue was the connectors on the back had to be replaced on the wire ends after a few years (annoyance). Used B&G for a bit with current boat when we bought it and really did not like them. Displays were starting to fail and absolutely no way to replace with newer model displays so built in obsolescence. Also very expensive. I won?t speak to the plotters, radars and other instruments but I have always liked these three standard sailing instruments. Our current i50/i60 series are also very nice but do not look to be built as ruggedly as the ST50 / ST60 series. I am also not a fan of having an iPad floating around in the cockpit. Nav station yes, cockpit no. If I was to be dependent on a device such as an iPad and it got knocked around or overboard in rough weather that would at the very least be a distraction. Very nice for redundant system but I cannot see it being a primary system until it is made to the same rugged standards as existing instrumentation. My $0.02 Mike Persistence Raymarine i50/i60 speed, depth, wind Raymarine wheel pilot Garmin GPSMAP 740 Standard Horizon GX2200 with AIS display and ram mic Ramarine a65 KVH Sailcomp Microsoft Surface with Navionics From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pete Shelquist via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Pete Shelquist Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot business! You raymarine guys kill me. Defend it to the end and drag others down when it's obvious that Ray falls short. I've been saying it for years: friends don't let friends buy raymarine. Dave/others; Per Garmin FAQ, Here's the solution if/when you decide to leave the raymarine dark side : "The easiest way to update the device is to purchase a NMEA 2000 Network Updater and attach it to the NMEA 2000 network that the device is connected to. The updater will add an SD card slot to the NMEA 2000 network which will allow and update to be sent to the device. A blank SD card with at least 300MB up to 2GB of space is also required. To create the update SD card, please follow these instructions: Download the latest update from the Marine Software Update Page to your desktop Double-click the file on the desktop When the window titled Marine Product Software Update appears, click the Next button Choose the drive letter that is assigned to the SD card reader Click the Next button Once the update is completed, click the Finish button Take the SD card and the NMEA 2000 Network Updater to the boat. To connect the NMEA 2000 Network Updater into the NMEA 2000 network, please follow these instructions: Connect the NMEA 2000 Network Updater's cable to the T-Connector it came with Disconnect two T-Connectors in the NMEA 2000 network on the boat Connect the Network Updater's T-Connector to both of the disconnected T-Connectors from step 2 To update the NMEA 2000 network, power on the NMEA 2000 network and all accessories and insert the SD card into the NMEA 2000 Network Updater. To know when the update is complete, please review the color of the LED on the NMEA 2000 Network Updater: Red - Error, no card inserted, or no update on card Orange - Update in progress Green - Update completed successfully Once the update is complete, the SD card can be removed from the Updater and all Garmin NMEA 2000 connected devices and accessories will be up to date." Boom. Get Outlook for iOS On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:40 AM -0500, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: I think Dave?s gripe had more to do with upgrading things other than the MFD; things like instruments and autopilots. And having to do those through an MFD from the same manufacturer. I don?t think I?d want to be able to upgrade a Raymarine autopilot through a Garmin MFD; Garmin might just sabotage the process? :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Sep 20, 2016, at 7:26 AM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: My ray eS7 does the same ?? Paul Fountain Perception II 1985 C&C 33-II k/cb Port Credit Yacht Club From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:23 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike < mike.h...@impgroup.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine exits the instrument, vhf and autopilot business! My Garmin GPSMap 740 plotter uses a SD Card to update firmware after downloading the file to the SD card from a computer which in turn gets the file from the internet. Mike Persistence Halifax, NS _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160920/c29d89c9/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ CnC-List mailing list CnC-List@cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ------------------------------ End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 128, Issue 86 *****************************************
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