Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C&C 29?

[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

Thanks Shawn, I get it.....you're probably in the right ballpark for you planning ahead.
I wish you good luck in the search...BUT GET ANYTHING CLOSE SURVEYED!!!!
There's some rough boats out there in your price range....



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Sent: 2019-04-17 9:31:33 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C&C 29?

Hi Ron,

Ok, here's the backstory... We started out looking at 27-30' boats, with the hope of finding a C&C 30-1 based on what I'd read about its stiffness. The first one we found was $25K and although it was in very good condition, we just weren't that impressed, mainly with the interior layout. Gradually I started looking at anything up to about $35K, which has included a lot of boats: Westsail 32, Nicholson 31 & 35 (both very nice boats - should have bought the 35), Alberg 37, Niagara 35, Ericson 29, 30+, 32, 35, Newport 28, 33, C&C 35-2, 36, 37. Of these, the C&C 35-2 and Nicholson 35 have impressed me the most. The Nicholson is probably one of 3-4 on the continent, so I don't expect to find another. The C&C 35-2 seems like a great fit, but I don't expect I'll find another for $25K around here.

My wife grew up boating on a 26' wooden powerboat that her Dad built, travelling to Desolation Sound every summer, so she is pretty comfortable on the water, but has only sailed a few times on dinghies - Laser, Sunfish and MacGregor 26. The MacGregor freaks her out because it gives the illusion of a big boat with the stability of a dinghy. She's fine in a Laser... she even hauled prawn traps from one last summer... :)

Finally, I am deciding between a "starter boat" around $10K, knowing that we'll still look for the right boat. I don't want to pay much more than $10K for a boat that will only last 1-2 years as the 12% sales tax is then just throwing money away. If we find what seems like a good long term boat for $25K or so, we'll go for it, but so far, that has been an elusive item. Every $25K boat has either been an overpriced $15K boat (like that mint C&C 30), or a $35-40K boat that needs work. I'm ok with a boat that needs some work, provided I can sail it while doing the work over time (so it needs a decent engine, sails and rigging). After almost a year of this search, I no longer have the time for a project boat.

So that's why a $10K boat makes sense to me... Is the 29 is that boat? I don't know...

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 6:03 PM rjcasciato--- via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Shawn.....take me behind why a 29 for 10K makes sense for you.
For my taste.....if your wife is uncomfortable sailing....you want to rethink this.
Mine has had only miserable experiences in the 30 years of sailing.....
All of my early boats were too small.....
I now have probably the best Rob Ball design ever...
I bought a 38MKII for 20k 20 years ago...
You should think bigger....and when your wife finally stops sailing.....you end up with a real race machine....

Just thinking ahead.... Ron



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Sent: 2019-04-17 8:31:35 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C&C 29?

Is this a 29 Mark I or Mark II??

I love my Mark II.  Not tender to me as an old dingy sailor.  Yes, nimble, quick, responsive.

There is another Mark II at my club with a shorter rudder than mine and I understand he does have more problems with broaching. I have raced mine in 40+gusts and won that race under PHRF.  One broach in 7 years when crew did not take the main sheet with him while hiking in order to be ready to release in conditions that might warrant it.

Suddenly went from a north bound boat to a south bound boat. Best broach of my life.  Boat just flipped around and we went on sailing.  No one hurt.

John McLaughlin

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C&C 29?

Strangly

I have a C&C 41 - love it

Hate going in reverse its always a crap shoot. Goes up wind like a vacuum cleaner. Best at 25 - 30 degrees

Hull had one small blister at last years haul out. Oh and the traditional keel smile.  Great construction and smart above and below deck fittings and appointments.

Not sure what else would be relevant

Mark Watson

Trinity - 1977 Newport 41

On 4/17/2019 9:23 AM, Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List wrote:

I happen to have a C&C 29 from the exact same year. It is a little tender at the dock as it’ll move a bit when it’s boarded, but underway it feels fine to me. I’m a new boat owner and this is the first boat I’ve owned. I obtained it for a similar price and put a good amount into it to replace the standing and running rigging as well as the sails. I have the original universal diesel, so if your option has been repowered, that might be a great addition. 

Under full power (with a 120% Genoa), the boat heels fairly comfortably and races forwarded in up to 14 kts. I’d recommend reefing by 14 kts, but it is situationally relevant. I have been out in 20 kts under full sail and found it aggressive as the boat was able to point up to 15 degrees off the wind but still didn’t dip the toe rail.  I dropped the sails quickly for my own comfort as well as my crew’s. 

It’s been my opinion that comfort with heeling comes from time and experience on boats. Much like someone else mentioned, conditions and training even for catamaran appreciators will eventually win over relatively new sailors. 

There’s little I’d change in my 29’. I’d recommend getting a survey and seeing if it’s still the best deal on the market. No matter what you go with, keep your crew in mind while helping them to gain the time and experience required to become comfortable. Find other friends with more experience that your crew knows and respects and give them the helm. I’ve found that having my friend Kristin aboard gives me ample time to compare my level of comfort vs her’s. She’s far more experienced than I am, and is the perfect bell weather. 

Jeremy Dinsel

C&C 29 1977

Seattle, Wa

iTypo'd expressly for you.

On Apr 16, 2019, at 18:00, Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C&C 29. There is one named "Tooth & Nail" that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos look good, apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine, wheel steering. Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat up?)

It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep an eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats include a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C&C 29, both for around $12K CAD.

One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on the stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all boats. How serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I don't want to scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a very tender boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's Macgregor 26, which seems to heel over at the slightest gust.

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Shawn Wright

shawngwri...@gmail.com

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