Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C&C 29?

[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

Shawn.....take me behind why a 29 for 10K makes sense for you.
For my taste.....if your wife is uncomfortable sailing....you want to rethink this.
Mine has had only miserable experiences in the 30 years of sailing.....
All of my early boats were too small.....
I now have probably the best Rob Ball design ever...
I bought a 38MKII for 20k 20 years ago...
You should think bigger....and when your wife finally stops sailing.....you end up with a real race machine....

Just thinking ahead.... Ron



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Sent: 2019-04-17 8:31:35 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C&C 29?

Is this a 29 Mark I or Mark II??

I love my Mark II.  Not tender to me as an old dingy sailor.  Yes, nimble, quick, responsive.

There is another Mark II at my club with a shorter rudder than mine and I understand he does have more problems with broaching. I have raced mine in 40+gusts and won that race under PHRF.  One broach in 7 years when crew did not take the main sheet with him while hiking in order to be ready to release in conditions that might warrant it.

Suddenly went from a north bound boat to a south bound boat. Best broach of my life.  Boat just flipped around and we went on sailing.  No one hurt.

John McLaughlin

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From: Mark A. Watson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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Cc: Mark A. Watson <m...@watsonandson.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2019 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C&C 29?

Strangly

I have a C&C 41 - love it

Hate going in reverse its always a crap shoot. Goes up wind like a vacuum cleaner. Best at 25 - 30 degrees

Hull had one small blister at last years haul out. Oh and the traditional keel smile.  Great construction and smart above and below deck fittings and appointments.

Not sure what else would be relevant

Mark Watson

Trinity - 1977 Newport 41

On 4/17/2019 9:23 AM, Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List wrote:

I happen to have a C&C 29 from the exact same year. It is a little tender at the dock as it’ll move a bit when it’s boarded, but underway it feels fine to me. I’m a new boat owner and this is the first boat I’ve owned. I obtained it for a similar price and put a good amount into it to replace the standing and running rigging as well as the sails. I have the original universal diesel, so if your option has been repowered, that might be a great addition. 

Under full power (with a 120% Genoa), the boat heels fairly comfortably and races forwarded in up to 14 kts. I’d recommend reefing by 14 kts, but it is situationally relevant. I have been out in 20 kts under full sail and found it aggressive as the boat was able to point up to 15 degrees off the wind but still didn’t dip the toe rail.  I dropped the sails quickly for my own comfort as well as my crew’s. 

It’s been my opinion that comfort with heeling comes from time and experience on boats. Much like someone else mentioned, conditions and training even for catamaran appreciators will eventually win over relatively new sailors. 

There’s little I’d change in my 29’. I’d recommend getting a survey and seeing if it’s still the best deal on the market. No matter what you go with, keep your crew in mind while helping them to gain the time and experience required to become comfortable. Find other friends with more experience that your crew knows and respects and give them the helm. I’ve found that having my friend Kristin aboard gives me ample time to compare my level of comfort vs her’s. She’s far more experienced than I am, and is the perfect bell weather. 

Jeremy Dinsel

C&C 29 1977

Seattle, Wa

iTypo'd expressly for you.

On Apr 16, 2019, at 18:00, Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C&C 29. There is one named "Tooth & Nail" that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos look good, apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine, wheel steering. Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat up?)

It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep an eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats include a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C&C 29, both for around $12K CAD.

One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on the stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all boats. How serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I don't want to scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a very tender boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's Macgregor 26, which seems to heel over at the slightest gust.

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Shawn Wright

shawngwri...@gmail.com

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