Hi Ron, Ok, here's the backstory... We started out looking at 27-30' boats, with the hope of finding a C&C 30-1 based on what I'd read about its stiffness. The first one we found was $25K and although it was in very good condition, we just weren't that impressed, mainly with the interior layout. Gradually I started looking at anything up to about $35K, which has included a lot of boats: Westsail 32, Nicholson 31 & 35 (both very nice boats - should have bought the 35), Alberg 37, Niagara 35, Ericson 29, 30+, 32, 35, Newport 28, 33, C&C 35-2, 36, 37. Of these, the C&C 35-2 and Nicholson 35 have impressed me the most. The Nicholson is probably one of 3-4 on the continent, so I don't expect to find another. The C&C 35-2 seems like a great fit, but I don't expect I'll find another for $25K around here.
My wife grew up boating on a 26' wooden powerboat that her Dad built, travelling to Desolation Sound every summer, so she is pretty comfortable on the water, but has only sailed a few times on dinghies - Laser, Sunfish and MacGregor 26. The MacGregor freaks her out because it gives the illusion of a big boat with the stability of a dinghy. She's fine in a Laser... she even hauled prawn traps from one last summer... :) Finally, I am deciding between a "starter boat" around $10K, knowing that we'll still look for the right boat. I don't want to pay much more than $10K for a boat that will only last 1-2 years as the 12% sales tax is then just throwing money away. If we find what seems like a good long term boat for $25K or so, we'll go for it, but so far, that has been an elusive item. Every $25K boat has either been an overpriced $15K boat (like that mint C&C 30), or a $35-40K boat that needs work. I'm ok with a boat that needs some work, provided I can sail it while doing the work over time (so it needs a decent engine, sails and rigging). After almost a year of this search, I no longer have the time for a project boat. So that's why a $10K boat makes sense to me... Is the 29 is that boat? I don't know... On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 6:03 PM rjcasciato--- via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Shawn.....take me behind why a 29 for 10K makes sense for you. > For my taste.....if your wife is uncomfortable sailing....you want to > rethink this. > Mine has had only miserable experiences in the 30 years of sailing..... > All of my early boats were too small..... > I now have probably the best Rob Ball design ever... > I bought a 38MKII for 20k 20 years ago... > You should think bigger....and when your wife finally stops > sailing.....you end up with a real race machine.... > > Just thinking ahead.... Ron > > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: johnr...@aol.com > Sent: 2019-04-17 8:31:35 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C&C 29? > > Is this a 29 Mark I or Mark II?? > > I love my Mark II. Not tender to me as an old dingy sailor. Yes, nimble, > quick, responsive. > > There is another Mark II at my club with a shorter rudder than mine and I > understand he does have more problems with broaching. I have raced mine in > 40+gusts and won that race under PHRF. One broach in 7 years when crew did > not take the main sheet with him while hiking in order to be ready to > release in conditions that might warrant it. > > Suddenly went from a north bound boat to a south bound boat. Best broach > of my life. Boat just flipped around and we went on sailing. No one hurt. > > John McLaughlin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark A. Watson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Mark A. Watson <m...@watsonandson.com> > Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2019 2:32 pm > Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C&C 29? > > Strangly > > I have a C&C 41 - love it > Hate going in reverse its always a crap shoot. Goes up wind like a vacuum > cleaner. Best at 25 - 30 degrees > Hull had one small blister at last years haul out. Oh and the traditional > keel smile. Great construction and smart above and below deck fittings and > appointments. > > Not sure what else would be relevant > > Mark Watson > Trinity - 1977 Newport 41 > > > > On 4/17/2019 9:23 AM, Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List wrote: > > I happen to have a C&C 29 from the exact same year. It is a little tender > at the dock as it’ll move a bit when it’s boarded, but underway it feels > fine to me. I’m a new boat owner and this is the first boat I’ve owned. I > obtained it for a similar price and put a good amount into it to replace > the standing and running rigging as well as the sails. I have the original > universal diesel, so if your option has been repowered, that might be a > great addition. > > Under full power (with a 120% Genoa), the boat heels fairly comfortably > and races forwarded in up to 14 kts. I’d recommend reefing by 14 kts, but > it is situationally relevant. I have been out in 20 kts under full sail and > found it aggressive as the boat was able to point up to 15 degrees off the > wind but still didn’t dip the toe rail. I dropped the sails quickly for my > own comfort as well as my crew’s. > > It’s been my opinion that comfort with heeling comes from time and > experience on boats. Much like someone else mentioned, conditions and > training even for catamaran appreciators will eventually win over > relatively new sailors. > > There’s little I’d change in my 29’. I’d recommend getting a survey and > seeing if it’s still the best deal on the market. No matter what you go > with, keep your crew in mind while helping them to gain the time and > experience required to become comfortable. Find other friends with more > experience that your crew knows and respects and give them the helm. I’ve > found that having my friend Kristin aboard gives me ample time to compare > my level of comfort vs her’s. She’s far more experienced than I am, and is > the perfect bell weather. > > Jeremy Dinsel > C&C 29 1977 > Seattle, Wa > > iTypo'd expressly for you. > > On Apr 16, 2019, at 18:00, Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C&C 29. There is one named "Tooth & > Nail" that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos > look good, apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine, > wheel steering. Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat > up?) > > It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm > looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep > an eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats > include a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C&C 29, both for around $12K > CAD. > > One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on > the stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all > boats. How serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I > don't want to scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a > very tender boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's > Macgregor 26, which seems to heel over at the slightest gust. > > -- > Shawn Wright > shawngwri...@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. 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