Thanks Nathan, Something with bigger displacement to let us take longer trips (less protected waters) in more comfort for long weekends or week-long vacations is indeed part of our rationale for the larger boat. We've tried taking our 23-2 outside the islands and although she is solid we get batted around quite a bit when the wave period shortens up.
"you are much better off spending more money now to get a boat that the previous owner put a lot into upgrading and fixing then a previously neglected boat like I did" Agreed On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 9:56 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Welcome Jeff, > > Something to keep in mind is that a 40 is almost twice as much boat > compared to a 34 or 35 (18000+ lbs rather than 10000 or so. Everything is > bigger, heavier and more expensive. And it can also get more complicated > to sail - does it have running backstays? I think that a 38 such as Ocean > Phoenix does have running backstays - not sure about the 40. My 34 does > not. Not a big deal for long passages, but we tend to go out to tool > around for an evening tacking and jibing a dozen times in the process or go > sail around the islands outside of Marblehead and Beverly and I would > prefer to sail rather than motor whenever possible if there is any wind > (which is why it is nice to have a light C&C that will move in light air). > Dockage, hauling and winter storage all scale with length too. If offshore > passages are your plan then the bigger boat is likely a better choice and > you want to pay attention to the stability numbers as well, and a C&C may > not be the right choice at all (although I am sure there are those on this > list who would differ). > > Any 30-40 ft keelboat boat in the under $20000 sale price range is going > to need a lot of TLC, fiberglass work, paint, rigging work, sails (likely > at some point) and replacements over the coming years. We have a 34 KCB and > it is a nice size for us and is easy for my wife and me to handle (we don't > have or fly a spin although I am looking to add an asymmetrical at some > point). If I was to do it again I might look for a 34+ or 34/36 which is a > little larger and has a newer style interior layout with a separate shower > from the head I believe. While that would have been more money up front, > but as I put 10+k into improvements plus lots of time each year it would > not have made a big difference in the long run. My boat budget ends up > around $20/year, about half of which is slip, hauling, winter storage and > insurance, and the other half is maintenance and upgrades. The first year > we had the sails cleaned and repaired for $600, had the prop rebuilt for > $500, new water heater, new head plumbing, new bilge pumps, new foam for > the cushions (which I restuffed myself, etc.), etc. etc.. Last year we got > new cruising sails for $6k and some new lines, new water pump, inflatable > life jackets, etc.. This year it was quite a bit more (I haven't kept > track) because we had the rod-rigging re-ended and needed a new furler and > I repaired soft spots in the deck, repainted and refit the entire deck and > included replacing winches with self tailers and added a custom bow roller > I designed and sent out to a machine shop along with a new anchor and > rode. I am glad she is only 34ft long rather than 40! Can you do it for a > bit less - yes likely - but it is also nice to be able to improve things > and make them better suit your needs and be prepared for the furler that > breaks and isn't repairable type expenses. Slip and such are probably a > bit less up in Maine than in the Boston area, but it all adds up. > > Actually from my experience, and what I have read/learned since, you are > much better off spending more money now to get a boat that the previous > owner put a lot into upgrading and fixing then a previously neglected boat > like I did. Like you we wanted to get into a 30+ ft cruising boat at the > low end of the price point (we paid $7500 for Wisper in 2018) and I do > enjoy working on it almost as much as sailing so there is that. Initially > this approach is tempting with lots of old neglected boats in the market, > but I wouldn’t likely do that again now that I am into "big boat" > ownership. I would likely still get a 40 year old boat again if/when it > comes time to upgrade, but I would look for one that someone else did a lot > of upgrading on recently and happily pay more for it (there will still be > plenty to do and change over the years). On the other hand, I am learning > a ton as I try things on this boat and learn what I like and don't like and > I am not sure if we would have bought a boat at all if I had proposed a > larger budget to my wife initially. And there is also satisfaction in > bringing a good boat back from the brink of the scrap yard. > > Anyway, that is my two cents. Good luck! > > Nathan > - - > Nathan Post > S/V Wisper > 1981 C&C 34 KCB > Lynn MA > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > >
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