That's what I was wondering about. When I bought my 4000 Plus, the sales guy at defender said I didn't need the rudder feedback unit. But it was pretty worthless and I was very disappointed. Once I put the rudder feedback unit in, it worked brilliantly. The brains need to know where the rudder is otherwise it's just shooting in the dark. I wouldn't want to dissuade you from going to the hydraulic unit, as they are definitely superior. But I think you would be very surprised at how good it would work with the 4000 Plus and a rudder feedback.
Bill Coleman On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 4:45 PM Hans Reinhardt via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Bill, > My manual and technical records are on the boat so I had to google > “rudder feedback arm”. Ete’ does not have a separate one. All feedback > signaling appears to happen via the wheel apparatus and dealt with in the > control head. As arms are readily available new I would guess that they > are used in more current models. My Autohelm Wheel Pilot is quite old - 20 > years? Shortly after I bought the boat in 2015 I looked into replacing the > autopilot. I remember that the latest wheel units were rated for no heavier > a boat. It’s at that point that I realized I would need to spring for and > shoehorn in an under deck unit. An engine replacement and compartment refit > in 2019 put that item off a couple of years. I hope this helps. > > Hans R > S/V Ete’ > 1982 C&C37 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 24, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > Hans, does your 4000 unit have the rudder feedback arm? > > Bill > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 1:52 PM Hans Reinhardt via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Chuck, >> My 1982 C&C37 came with the older Autohelm 4000 (Raymarine) autopilot. >> The unit is supposedly not that different than the latest model you are >> considering. Mine is inadequate downwind even in our relatively protected >> central Puget Sound waters. It is affected by more than wind speed - random >> puffs, wind shifts, crossing wave patterns, large boat wakes, boat roll, >> etc. All give it panic attacks 😱 and me the need for a beer once I am >> safely back on the dock.🥴 As the wind rises to the upper teens the unit is >> often inadequate upwind. As the wind rises further into the twenties I have >> found the unit to be useless. More experienced friends and marine tech >> sorts are not surprised. Fancy that. As my budget allows I plan to install >> a below deck unit, hydraulic or direct drive. That will be a bit of fun. >> FWIW, at 16-18K lbs. loaded, my boat is over the recommended displacement >> for the Autohelm wheel unit. I believe yours is similar. I have had to >> replace the little SSTL drive pins often. I’ve also changed drive belts and >> otherwise kept the unit well maintained and clean. I mostly singlehand and >> a strong, reliable autopilot is critical to my continued use of the boat. I >> am 70, reasonably fit and grew up around smaller boats and stupidly >> self-endangering marine situations 🙄 but am no champion or truly >> experienced old sea dog. >> So … happily not dead yet. 😊 >> Twixt and ‘tween is not a generally happy place to be in, so … >> All the best, >> Hans R >> S/V Ete’ 1982 C&C37 >> Shilshole Bay Marina >> Seatlle >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 22, 2021, at 12:13 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Chuck >> minor typo! Fat fingers!! - should have been 20 kts not 29. >> Don >> >> On 10/22/2021 2:51 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List wrote: >> >> Chuck >> >> I have a C&C 35 Mk2 that has the older Raymarine ST4000 autopilot which >> is being used at its upper limits. It does Ok up to about 20kts on Narra >> Bay, Buzzards Bay and Long Island Sound. Have never engaged it above 20 >> kts. The only problem I have had is the the three plastic "U" brackets that >> connect the unit to the helms spoke have cracked and needed to be >> replaced. I think this was due to the Edson pedestal's brake which has >> become none functional and I initially used the Autohelm to lock the rudder >> when at anchor/mooring. Not too smart!! >> >> Don Kern >> *Fireball, *C&C35 Mk2 >> Bristol, RI >> >> >> On 10/22/2021 12:10 PM, Novabraid via CnC-List wrote: >> >> I’m contemplating adding a new wheel mount auto pilot (Raymarine EV-100) >> on my 1983 Landfall 35, equipped with an Edson 737 dual lever engine >> control (the type with the two extra stainless tubes that carry the control >> cables). I was curious to see if anyone on the list may have attempted to >> add this style auto pilot to their boat using the same engine control to >> see if there were any clearance issues between the autopilot motor/drive >> unit and the control housing. This type engine control extends below the >> top of the pedestal (beneath the compass) and has up/down levers on port >> and starboard. >> >> I am aware that I’m at the top end of the displacement range for a wheel >> pilot, however my main reason for wanting a pilot in the first place is to >> facilitate single handing the boat for setting and dousing sails as well as >> picking up moorings, etc. I’m not looking to cross oceans, just simple >> coastal cruising but since my primary crew member has moved out West, not >> having an auto pilot means the boat will sit on the mooring far more often. >> A below deck pilot brings with it the challenge of where to mount the >> drive unit and the cost of the more expensive pilot, the Edson tiller arm, >> and the fabrication of a shelf to mount the drive unit. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any advice. >> >> Chuck Gilchrest >> >> S/V Half Magic >> >> 1983 Landfall 35 >> >> Padanaram, MA >> >> >> >> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with >> the costs involved. 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