Interesting thread. Forwarding this nice letter from Ron as I believe it was intended for the group.
> ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: rjcasci...@comcast.net > To: 'CHARLES SCHEAFFER' <cscheaf...@comcast.net> > Date: 11/30/2021 2:34 PM > Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: C&C to race - cold weather discussion topic > > > HI Chuck: I don't think that any of the Tartan C&C's are Rob Ball's design. > And there are so few of them that the price to make them competitive is more > than you or I spent. > > Also, while I don't know details exactly, I would suspect that your 89 34R is > after the transition from the old IOR hull shapes compared to my 77'38MKIIC. > That may account for the credits and charges on the rating. You may have a > larger main and therefore a smaller #1 Genoa than I do with my #1 at 153%. > Incidentally, since my era hulls were mostly foresail driven.........the > original owner in Chicago shortened the main luff by 4' and flew a #1 at > 170%.. on Lake Michigan....I have that sail; it's shredded but you would be > amazed at how you have to rig the sheets for that sail. No genoa car and > sheets led through the stern fitting/block forward to the primary winch. > Obviously, I don't use it and we restored the main to its original height. > > I have the same expenses that you have plus "repowering" with a Yanmar 3ym30 > SD20 Sail Drive...........do that to save another 100# over the old late 70's > Volvo. And we rebuilt the original rudder since it was always > waterlogged...... > > We removed the baby stay system, and all of the winches at the mast base. I > use a pair of Pontos 4 speed winches as primaries and a pair of mid-size > Barients on either side of the coach roof for handling all the halyards and > other lines led aft coming down from the mast. All the winches removed > weighed more than 100# as well. Incidentally, Pontos is now Karver, and you > might want to think about that for short handed sailing. They are so fast > that one jib trimmer can release and take up the new sheet without needing an > additional pair of hands.... (We do have two guys in the genoa trim space > however.) Their product video is amazing, and mine works like that. > > When we race PHRF........our racing handicap with credits is 129, and the > cruising handicap is 132...........those 3 seconds are not worth the > aggravation of having spinnaker gear and handling the ASYM in our races. The > longest race on Wednesdays is around 5 miles.....and those 15 seconds aren't > enough to make up for a missed tack or other screw up. We keep this boat > very simple........ > > This boat is hull #125, and was built in the Bruckman Shop, therefore the > designation of 38MKIIC. Instead of the usual telephone pole for a mast, > however, this one is fitted with a Stearns tapered mast and > boom..............having a great sailmaker and hydraulic backstay system > makes it work nicely. > > In 1977, most of the standing and running rigging came from Merriman. That's > all been converted to Garhauer tracks and cars and vang. > > There are several other modifications to the original that just make it look > better and keep the maintenance down. e.g., no wood above decks. An > instrument pod on the sea hood just ahead of the companionway. Bulkhead > instrument holes opened up to accommodate vertical Lewmar flush ports (used > for stashing loose halyards and other control lines inside rather than > flailing around the cockpit. A note for other mid-size C&C owners of the > earlier vintage..........a J109 instrument pod almost fits precisely over the > sea hood on my 38MKII....purchased separately 10 years ago for $250.00. ST60 > instruments. Sailcomp. And 12 V outlets complete that modification. > > Good Grief, remembering all of this makes me wonder just exactly how much > money did I spend? That's a different post.............maybe. Original cost > in 1997 was $26K. and then uphill from there. > > This is a great topic, Dennis, Thanks for bringing it up. It will be > interesting to see how the group treats this topic. > > Best, > > Ron C. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER <cscheaf...@comcast.net> > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 11:03 PM > To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net > Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: C&C to race - cold weather discussion topic > > Very good points, Ron. > > What's the budget? That could rule out any Tartan built C&Cs. > > My 34R is tricked out with many upgrades to make her better for shorthanded > or solo racing on distance races on Chesapeake Bay. Just added a Selden > sprit for her two assyms. I installed a carbon tube through the bow to > enable fitting a dyneema bobstay to allow flying a code zero in future. The > PHRF rating hit for the sprit is offset by the credit for the above deck > furler and 139% headsail. New windows, new chainplates and maststep, new > non-skid on deck, new fuel tank, and all deck hardware rebedded. > > Many people don't know that the 34R has removable vee berths and removable > cockpit seats that lighten the boat considerably in the ends. We did well > triangle racing with pickup crew when we scrubbed the bottom before a race. > I do well upwind solo in JAM passing several boats on the way to the windward > mark, but have suffered in some long downwind races when others fly their > spinnakers and pass me. I'm hoping the sprit and assym will make her more > competitive downwind. Can't wait to try out all the new upgrades next spring. > > > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute, 1989 C&C 34R, Annapolis > > > > > > On 11/29/2021 6:44 PM rjcasciato--- via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > So, Dennis, as you can see already, you may have to narrow (filter) the > > possible choices. There those of us who would highly recommend one of the > > Rob Ball pre 80 37's or 38's....(same hull) and those who favor later Rob > > Ball models..........and those who favor the Tartan C&C models. > > > > A reasonable analysis of the "ratings" for most models will turn up several > > findings. Most boats do not sail to their ratings unless there is an OCD > > owner who makes sure the boat is absolutely fitted out for racing. And > > further, for that class. And e.g., I’m not one who would sail with any > > crew that sailed because of the beer quality.......... > > > > You will also have to define "Handicap" racing. If you want to sail "every > > handicap" race......Wednesdays, weekends, etc. If you pick it too broad, > > you will get beat in one of those categories by a boat (C&C) specifically > > fitted for that class and conditions. > > > > And then, there is the Testosterone component.................is your crew > > under the age of 40? Over 65? Etc. Has any of them flown an ASYM and > > won a race (without you doing anything else but driving?) Is one of your > > crew (or can you get) a sailmaker on board? Will you turn over all the > > other crew jobs to the crew and only drive? Or get a driver if you aren't > > the top choice? > > > > Then check race results for the C&C winning boats.............. in general, > > there are not many of them that win on a regular basis. But those that do, > > have figured out the best assortment of the above conditions. > > > > Then I would check in on your local racing venue handicap "allowances". > > E.g. > > Racing or Cruising only?? Usually, +6 seconds for JAM vs Spinnaker..... > > Declare NO spinnaker pole........+9 seconds Above deck roller > > furling.........+6 seconds (recreational adjustment for JAM) Working above > > deck furling is a condition of the JAM rating. > > > > I may find an example of one of the best choices.........but I'll have to > > do some records review. I will report later this week with any results. > > > > Best, > > > > Ron C. Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
