As a mostly silent member for years and years, I agree when the list goes off on a complaint tangent (and when it is flagged by moderators, which is rare but sometimes necessary), but I have found this Turtle Creek thread quite useful and agree with many points, particularly these later ones. For those who find this thread tiring or are happy and able to go with Apple's sometimes frustrating flow, please do what I do for those ranting posts and even for most of the other threads that are of no interest to me or for which someone always already beats me to an (and much better) answer, and merely delete them or filter them and visit when you have the time. This is a rich and diverse community, which I appreciate and not just tolerate. The last thing we need to do as fellow devs is alienate or become intolerant of each other.
Otherwise, it's sometimes nice to discuss Cocoa Development -including its own history/future- more broadly than just a block/line and an error, and for that, I appreciate ALL of your posts and have not found any to need to be put on other lists that a moderator has not already flagged (especially when such a thread is corrected to get back on relevant track). Thanks in advance for your patience and understanding and to you all for making the Apple ecosystem so awesome with app choices even for construction firms - too many people still go the Windows-only or VM route and Apple should care about that, and developers like Turtle Creek are a part of how that magic happens. Sincerely, -Matt > On Nov 14, 2019, at 12:08 PM, Pier Bover via Cocoa-dev > <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: > >> I think this gets back to the transparency issue. If Apple were more open >> about the future, it would be easier to know which cliffs are real. > > That is one of my major gripes with Apple. Not only as a dev but also as a > end user. It's like riding a car in at night and only seeing what's > immediately in front of you. > > Big software companies like Adobe and Microsoft announce the EOL of their > products many years in advance. When did Apple announce the EOL for OpenGL > or 32 bits apps in macOS? 1-2 years before release? One could argue it was > obvious all along, but often Apple moves in mysterious ways, at least for > the ones that do not travel to the WWDC or have privileged information. > > There is no way to know where macOS will be 3 years from now and making > medium or long term decisions is impossible. For example, when will ObjC be > deprecated? 2 years from now? 10 years from now? If Apple announced openly > and clearly that it would kill ObjC or Cocoa by 2025 it would be possible > to make plans. No wonder the only macOS exclusive big developer is Apple > itself. > > I was planning to work on a desktop product for macOS during 2020 but I > will hold on for a couple of years. > _______________________________________________ > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.apple.com%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fcocoa-dev%2Fmkozak%2540oit.rutgers.edu&data=02%7C01%7Cmkozak%40oit.rutgers.edu%7Cad42c2eb8b624ae4294308d769256240%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C637093481588637564&sdata=j6gUc1fOz0KypedgxLriT2aemg3%2BPXFp%2BSzekCSzf2I%3D&reserved=0 > > This email sent to mko...@oit.rutgers.edu _______________________________________________ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
