A tabbed view is not MDI, at least not the MDI I recall from many years ago. Also, David didn't only ask about addressing the same issues as MDI (roughly speaking: single window, multiple documents), he asked about *looking* like Windows. He did ask about tabs, but if that's *all* he was asking, I agree, the answer should have been obvious, although I missed the *really* obvious example you pointed out -- Xcode.

I still think it's unclear what the real needs are in this organization, or the perceived ones, for that matter. Why are Windows programmers telling the Mac guy what to do? How is their challenge helping anybody, least of all themselves?

--Andy

On Jul 27, 2009, at 6:22 AM, Simon Hickmott wrote:

I don't really agree, as others have suggested, that this is a hammering a Mac-shaped peg into a Windows-shaped hole problem we're dealing with here. There are many successful Mac applications which use a tabbed view to consolidate multiple documents: TextMate comes immediately to mind — you wouldn't want multiple separate windows on screen when developing a Rails app, let me tell you. The solution there is to use an NSDrawer to manage a directory tree, with a tabbed view for navigating through opened documents. Mail and XCode's Organizer use a split view, similarly, without the baffling- to-some-users,-it-seems Drawer. The way I see it, there's no need to resort to any third party jiggery-pokery to achieve your solution when the Cocoa tools are already there, all of which comply with Apple's HIG.

On 27 Jul 2009, at 04:46, David Blanton wrote:

I am the only Mac programmer where I work; the rest being windows. I am constantly challenged to make Mac programs look like windows to some extent.

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