> What is its direct competition?  A variety of other content management
> systems, foremost of which is probably Zope (an open-source Python CMS with
> a good web UI but no XSL underpinnings).  This is an evolving sector.  If
> you look on Google for "content management system" or "Java XSLT" you will
> probably turn up rather more hits....
>
> IMHO the main difficulty with Cocoon right now is how hard it is to
> learn.  I am spending most of this week just coming to grips with the
> basics.  It is *not* easy to dive right into the system and understand
> (say) exactly how the esql sample page gets converted into html (i.e. what
> exactly are all the steps of the pipeline, and where are they defined in
> the various sitemaps / logicsheets / stylesheets).  Nor is it easy to know
> where to start when creating a new site, with a new CSS foundation and all
> new templates.
>

> I would love (and may work on developing) a "starter web application" under
> Cocoon, with its own local sitemap and its own templates... sort of a
> "hello world webapp" totally contained in one directory.
>
> Right now Cocoon is really best suited for programmers with lots of time to
> learn a new (albeit powerful) tool.  In order to get wider adoption, Cocoon
> will need *even more* attention paid to making it easy for newbies to start
> working with it -- not only more tutorials along the lines of CTwiG, but
> also more (and more functional!) sample applications, and probably even
> more web-based management tools (since doing *all* Cocoon administration by
> editing XML files is not exactly easy -- try out Zope for an example of a
> different, simpler, approach).
>
> I do still like Cocoon, in theory, but the learning curve is daunting and
> it's still not clear I will be able to spend enough time on it to start
> getting good results.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob


Rob,

There's another product that I just stumbled upon called 4Suite/Server 
(www.fourthought.com) that's built with python.  A project developer claimed 
that 4Suite is much easier to come to grips with than Cocoon.  

I, personally, don't have any experience with it, however, I'm going to give 
it a whirl later next week. 

Anthony

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