If only we could remember all the good and forget the bad :( I too hope to be the helper in the avalon/commons relationship.
Commons should not lose a customer because of past interactions. Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:32 PM > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List > Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release > > > > Remy Maucherat wrote: > > > > >>So that clinches it. The _initial_ HttpClient abstraction was > definitely > > >>not informed by Avalon. In fact, we had already packaged > Logging as > > >>a separate component by then. (Hey, I guess I wrote the > proposal. > > >>I > should > > >>add myself as a contributor!) > > >> > > >>Maybe the Avalon abstraction should have a credit to > HttpClient. ;) > > > > > > +1 ;-) > > > Although, seeing all this, I'm not sure I want to be > involved in any > > > way with Avalon ;-) > > > > However, if you guys tried to work with us from the outset, much of > > this confusion would never have risen. > > Maybe at that time we *didn't* want to work together for some > very specific reasons. After all, the original commons > proposal, which I was part of, was -1ed only by Peter, > because we apparently had diverging opinions about how shared > code should be governed. Given the number of components in > the commons, I think it has been quite successful with its > goals, and it did abide by its basic principles (openness, > bazaar style repository, extremely few external dependencies, > no imposed coding style, etc etc). > > I'm also greatly disturbed by the timing and the ferocity of > your complaints. AFAIK, nobody here did invent the facade > pattern or the Logger interface (or whatever you choose to > call it). It seems Rodney came up with something similar to > LogKit by accident. > > Now, if all you want is some credit for "being there", then > so be it, you have it :) You just could have asked it a lot > sooner and in a lot nicer way. > > Scott added that: "That is the past. This is the present, > and I WANT Avalon and commons to work in harmony, not > dischord." Well, maybe, but the present still reminds me of > the past a lot :-( Hopefully, that's the last time it happens. > > Remy > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:commons-dev-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For > additional commands, > e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
